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Old 09-22-2006, 11:28 PM   #31 (permalink)
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An amazing running game and a very good defense. How else? You don't need much of a passing game to open up hole for the Falcons. Vick is accurate enough to keep defenses somewhat honest but there are very good teams that will shut down the run. Then Vick will have to pass and 50% won't be accurate enough anymore.
But if they shut down the running game,doesn't that mean they would've had to compensate for it by bringing men in the box?Opening up the passing game filled with speed at the skill positions?

If Vick is ''accurate enough to keep defenses somewhat honest'',won't he able to throw to speedsters downfield with little to no deep support?
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Old 09-22-2006, 11:31 PM   #32 (permalink)
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But if they shut down the running game,doesn't that mean they would've had to compensate for it by bringing men in the box?Opening up the passing game filled with speed at the skill positions?

If Vick is ''accurate enough to keep defenses somewhat honest'',won't he able to throw to speedsters downfield with little to no deep support?
Great tems will shut down the run without losing men outside the box. Teams like the Hawks, Steelers, or Jags can bring an extra guy in the box and not lose anything in the passing defense. The speedsters downfield will still have at least one guy on them and with Vicks accuracy that one guy is all the defense needs.
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Great tems will shut down the run without losing men outside the box. Teams like the Hawks, Steelers, or Jags can bring an extra guy in the box and not lose anything in the passing defense. The speedsters downfield will still have at least one guy on them and with Vicks accuracy that one guy is all the defense needs.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wOC3EIYDLMc

2 defenders. Still caught. Now, this is just one pass, but it shreds your argument.

(Taking what Al Michaels said in the clip)...2 pro-bowlers covering some 2nd year receiver.
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Old 09-22-2006, 11:39 PM   #34 (permalink)
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This one as well...

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Thanks for the correction. Didn't know that about the steelers' package.

The chop-blocking, Vick's bootleg hand-offs attracting attention and creating huge holes for Dunn should be a cause for concern on your point. And who knows where both teams will be when that game is played. Vick or Ben could be done for the year. Steelers or Falcons could be on major losing/winning streaks. Though I'd be lying if I didn't say I wasn't worried about this game on paper.



Why are you insulting Defensive Coordinators? Losing to a team with NO QB?
Isn't the NFL a piece of ish league.

Of course, the excuse for the success of a RB's success at the QB position w was that the league wasn't ready for him. Last year he was injured, and the concensus everywhere(including this board) was that the league had ''figured him out''. Now he's beating top notch defenses down,again(although it's only 2 games).
To be honest with you i dont think the zone blocking system the falcons use is gonna scare the steelers and an option play won last forever in the nfl. The chop block is crazy but the steelers are always very good against the run.

Whod they play?...carolina who has their vick problems, but that was impressive...but dont brag about the bucs though, they are a mess.
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2 defenders. Still caught. Now, this is just one pass, but it shreds your argument.

(Taking what Al Michaels said in the clip)...2 pro-bowlers covering some 2nd year receiver.
Congradulations. Vick, an NFL QB (RB) made a two good throws. I would hope he could do that every now and then. He is a pro. For gods sake I could do that every now and then if I threw enough balls. Plus that coverage wasn't that good. The Hawks or Steelers defenders will be closer to the WRs. That doesn't shread my argument at all. What makes great players great is consistenty. I can make a half court shot in basketball every now and then so am I great? No. Vick throws well under 60% and barely has more TDs then INTs every single year. That is weak. Showing me two succesfull plays is pointless.
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To be honest with you i dont think the zone blocking system the falcons use is gonna scare the steelers and an option play won last forever in the nfl. The chop block is crazy but the steelers are always very good against the run.

Whod they play?...carolina who has their vick problems, but that was impressive...but dont brag about the bucs though, they are a mess.
True about the Bucs. But no NFL Team should ever give up 300 yards rushing,so I still take some sort of pride in that.

The option play is being exagerated IMO.Some people act as if that's our offense. We've used it 8 times in 2 games. Twice against the Panthers,6 against the Bucs.

But still, a lot can and WILL happen between now and this PIT vs ATL game.
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But still, a lot can and WILL happen between now and this PIT vs ATL game.
true, but its all in fun...just debating.
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Congradulations. Vick, an NFL QB (RB) made a two good throws. I would hope he could do that every now and then. He is a pro. For gods sake I could do that every now and then if I threw enough balls. Plus that coverage wasn't that good. The Hawks or Steelers defenders will be closer to the WRs. That doesn't shread my argument at all. What makes great players great is consistenty. I can make a half court shot in basketball every now and then so am I great? No. Vick throws well under 60% and barely has more TDs then INTs every single year. That is weak. Showing me two succesfull plays is pointless.
Yup. Those were only 2 plays. Nothing. But you act as if one guy is good enough to cover a WR since Vick sucks so much.

But I've seen Vick,like any other QB, squeeze balls into tight coverage.

And completion %, to some extent, means nothing to me. Vick was 10/22 against the panthers and 10/15 against the Bucs.

I preferred the 10/22 game,passing-wise.

Yes,Vick needs to be more consistent, and he will be, as all members of the Falcon offense.
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true, but its all in fun...just debating.
True.

What went wrong with the Steelers Monday Night? Didn't see the whole game.
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