Professor

he meant first string defense

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BU54

If Grossman can play consistant through out the season, we win the Superbowl.
But that's a big if. Even the mighty Joe Montana had some bad games. One must be at the top of your game come playoffs. We were last year till the big one.

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12-23-07 Bears 35, Packers 7
Then Brett Favre became a Jet...

stormdriver

I tried real hard to leave this one alone BU, but i just can't do it. Sorry.

1. Joe Montana and Rex Grossman don't belong in the same sentence. One is in the top five of all time. The other is the current second worst.
2. There are bad games and there are BAD games (ie the one against us, maybe you saw it. ).
3.You were never on top of your game. You had the easiest schedule in the entire league, and you still lost to Miami and almost got blown out in Arizona. That's not a championship team. that's a lucky team. Come playoffs, Seattle played like CRAP and you still only won because of a bad call in overtime, and then New Orleans choked.
4.The SB was over before it started, and no one outside of Illinois felt otherwise.
5. You won't win the Super Bowl. You will be lucky to make the playoffs at all this year. The division is (slightly) better, your schedule should include a few winning teams, You lost Jones, Tank and you may lose Briggs, and the SB loser curse is still in force.

I have never had a problem with Chicago, like most other Pack fans do, but the blind arrogant homerism I've been hearing from Bear fans all over this and other sites has me well on my way. Maybe that's what rivalry is about. Maybe I'm just not used to hearing you guys. 1985 was a long time ago.

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BU54

1st, I never said mighty Joe and Rex are compareable.(same sentence again)lol BTW Rex isn' the 2nd worst QB by any stretch of the imagination. He finished 24th with a rating of 74. Link NFL.com - NFL Stats

2nd, yes I remember the bad game against you guys. You mean the last game of the season that didn't mean anyting to us cause we had home field clinched through out the palyoffs and that you guys screwed yourself out of several draft pick spots cause you beat a team that didn't care about winning. Parhaps you forgot about the first game of the season that Rex had a QB rating of 98 and we stomped the Pack 26-0. Yes this is the game that meant something and also helped make the last game mean nothing.

3rd, Yes we lost to Miami and we also lost to the Packers and Patriots. And yes we almost lost to the Cards and the Seahawks but that's what good teams do. They find ways to win games. Good thing almost only counts in horse shoes,hand grenades and atom bombs. And yes you can say any/every win we had is cause the other team choked, seems like we are good at making other teams "choke". Techincally we had the easiest schedule at the beginning of the season based on last years(2005)teams records but you must have missed out on the conversation about what that means. Saints in 2005 3-13, Saints in 2006 won their division at 10-6.

4th, The SB was over before it started. Such an intelligent observation after the fact. Must admit it was one heck of a start with Hester running back the opening kickoff.(just luck I suppose) Then I'll bet you still thought it was over when the Bears were up 14-6 a short time later.

5th, With 32 teams in the league and only one SB winner it's always a safe assumption to say any one team will not win the SB. That's like me saying the Packers will not win it.
Benson is still here and so is Tank and Briggs(don't know how you figured those guys are gone). Seem like your relying on a ton of blind luck.
As far as the Bears being lucky to make the playoffs. Care to wager some points on that one?

6th, I just can't get over how envious the packer fans get when the table is turned and the Bears are division/NFC champs with Favre and co. struggling for survival.

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Then Brett Favre became a Jet...

stormdriver

Thank you for those stats, which I had already looked up. I think you'll agree though, that stats aren't everything. And again, YOU HAD THE EASIEST SCHEDULE IN THE ENTIRE NFL! Passer rating aside (which 74 ain't too great)Rex showed no signs of leadership or a desire to win at all costs at any point of the season. Maybe I'm just used to Favre, but I was just not impressed with Rex's attitude OR play last season.

A Pack-Bears game NEVER means nothing, and regardless of your win-loss record, Lovie kept the first string defense on field all game and didn't pull Grossman until he was in danger of injury. If the game didn't mean anything, why would he have done that? Yes, the first game was a joke. In fact, the Pack reaching 8-8 was luck as well. We are a lousy team these days. The Bears aren't much better.


I can agree with that. However, winning strictly because a bad call went in your favor is a pretty lousy way to win. These days in the playoffs though, you spend more time playing the refs than the other team. Seattle once again couldn't do that, so a win is a win I suppose.

Even you couldn't have expected Seattle and NO to play THAT bad. You probably thought you'd win, but you also probably thought you'd have to play to do so. And lest we forget, there should never have even been a Chicago-New Orleans game to begin with.

I said it at the time as well. So did everyone else I know, including a local Bear fan. You don't believe me and I don't care. You could go back and look at betting lines before that game though, to see just how many people thought you had a shot. Hester is amazing. That's not luck at all, that's talent. At no point in the game did I think you guys would win though. The two best teams had already played.

You're right again. I didn't only say you wouldn't win the SB though. I said you wouldn't make the postseason. That's a little less safe.
Benson isn't Jones like Grossman isn't Montana. Briggs-fine, but a disgruntled player isn't always a benefit. As for Tank, if he doesn't get suspended, There is no reason Henry or KR the KR should be. Goodell's not going out like that.

ABSOLUTELY.

We're only struggling for survival because we're a team of rookies and practice squad players, with a QB on the downslope of his career and a few good LBs. There's no envy here. I'm not a homer (obviously). I know very few Packer fans that are. I never said the Pack would make the playoffs either. Hear this: Barring some major luck of our own, we won't. I should just let you call Grossman a good QB and predict a SB victory for now though. Then I can quote it all back to you at the end of the season.

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Storm as much as you hate the Bears and dig for every excuse to discredit them being in the SB. They're not going to be the 0-16 team that you wish.

If you look up what I've said about Grossman you will find out that I bash him more than rival fans. He had a great 1st half of the season last year and I tried to tell others that 8 games doesn't make a hall of fame QB, but all that means nothing just cause he couldn't win the SB. I don't need to explain the 2nd half of the season. Though I have several times in threads buried deep by now. The way you look at it, Seattle should have won, well Dallas should have beat seattle too but they didn't(don't mean to rub in Romo's bobble guys)lol. But let me guess Dallas would have whipped the Bears like the Saints were supposed to, and if they didn't it would be because they choked too huh? What about the Colts coming back against the Pats? Was that cause the Pats choked or cause the Colts got lucky? or are the Bears the only team that can get lucky?

BTW why don't you ask Lovie why/how he substitutes player? And while your at it ask him why he has blind faith in Grossman and doesn't pull him when he's stinkin up the place when most other teams would? That one I really want to know.

Anytime you want to place a bet with the Bears not making the playoffs just let me know.

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winbaby60

Grossman sucks. I don't like his cavalier attitude about throwing all those interceptions. Lovie Smith is really being stubborn and has his blinders on by keeping him as his starting QB. Face it, the Bears won despite Grossman not because of him. Their defense won games for him and they would have done better with Griese as QB. Now they let their best RB Thomas Jones go to make room for Cedrick Benson who is not as good as Ricky Williams. I feel sorry for Bear fans that they will have to put up with Grossman and his bad throws for as long as Smith is coach. That's why the Bears didn't sign Smith to a long term deal they are waiting to see if his lamebrained decision to hitch his career on Grossman backfires. For Bear fans sake,i hope another year of experience makes Grossman a better player and that Benson pans out, otherwise Smith may lose his job. Don't get me wrong Lovie Smith is a good person and a decent coach, I like everyone else can't fathom why he is bent on sticking with Grossman even when he is struggling. I know he wants to avoid a QB controversy but pulling a guy when he's having a bad game isn't starting a controversy if Grossman is starting again the next week. As far as his passer rating goes, Grossman was either really good or really bad, half the time his passer rating was below 50%. Totally unacceptable. Good luck Bear fans. They should still win a weak division unless the Lions get it together.

BU54

I couldn't agree more!! But you forgot one other thing. Not only did the defense bail him out special teams did too. And not just Hester, the foot of Robbie Gould too.

As far as the Jones/Benson deal, now opponents can focus on just Benson. We no longer have that "double threat" at RB. That is the biggest difference to me.

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Bears always have and always will need a quarterback!! But not a MLB.


10-7-07 Bears 27,Packers 20
12-23-07 Bears 35, Packers 7
Then Brett Favre became a Jet...