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Old 10-28-2012, 10:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Maybe the two best teams in the country aren't in the SEC after all?

After watching Notre Dame shut down the Oklahoma offense I think you have to consider the Irish a legit NC contender. Especially given the way the RS Freshman QB seemed to come of age during that game. To go into that atmosphere and beat a team the caliber of Oklahoma is impressive. Sooners clearly have some deficits, but I still think they are a pretty good football team on both sides of the ball. So this win by ND may well be the most impressive victory by any of the remaining undefeated or one-loss teams.

I also think you can make the argument that the Notre Dame defense is right up there with Alabama's. They definitely have the best D-line I've seen all year, and their Secondary is clearly better than advertised.

If you look at the BCS Computer rankings, after Florida's loss yesterday, it's likely K-State will be first with ND a close second and Alabama & Oregon 3rd & 4th. Depending on the human polls, we could see the gap between Alabama and the other 3 tighten up considerably. ND is likely to get a bump in the human polls just because they're ND and undefeated.

I think 'Bama still controls its own destiny, but if they happen to struggle or win ugly against LSU or A&M, it's entirely conceivable Notre Dame could jump them.
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Notre Dame is the challenger. Both the Tide and the Irish control their destiny. Kansas State and Oregon don't have the SofS that the Irish have.
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Old 10-28-2012, 09:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
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My problem with putting ND so high is looking back on their schedule and seeing how they have done. They barely beat Purdue, Michigan, Stanford, and BYU. Good teams find a way to win and ND is a good team. But great teams don't find themselves in that situation, ie Bama and Oregon.
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My problem with putting ND so high is looking back on their schedule and seeing how they have done. They barely beat Purdue, Michigan, Stanford, and BYU. Good teams find a way to win and ND is a good team. But great teams don't find themselves in that situation, ie Bama and Oregon.
But, one sign of a good team is that they get better as the season progresses. I think that has happened with ND. Also, I think Notre Dame's schedule has been at least the equal of Alabama's and probably a bit tougher. I still think 'Bama deserves it's #1 ranking and even though it doesn't appear likely, things could get really interesting if they stumble at LSU.
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Up until this past weekend, ND hasn't played anyone worth mentioning. They barely beat a 2-loss Stanford team (who almost lost to Wash St), barely beat Purdue, had 2 ugly games against the Mich teams and barely beat BYU. In fact, they have only had 3 good games, Navy, Miami, and OU.

I have nothing against ND at all, I just don't think they deserve the #3 ranking. I'm not sure where they are in the human polls, but the fact that the computer poll has Bama at #3 tells you all you need to know about that poll
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I hear ya! I just thought they looked really good against OU. So either OU is much worse than we all thought, or Notre Dame at least is capable of playing some dang good football. Oklahoma did not beat itself- ND just over-powered the Sooner lines. I can't imagine Alabama being able to run against the ND D-Line. If those 2 meet up, I could see it being a classic defensive battle with turnovers or special teams being the difference. Only in that regard do I see Alabama having an edge.
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I think it was a combination. ND looked really good and had very few errors in that game. And at the same time OU didn't look good at times and it cost them early. ND does have a good defense, especially up front, and that is what has saved them all season. I think Bama would have some trouble moving the ball on them but at the same time, ND would have a lot of trouble moving the ball on Bama.
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Notre Dame is a very good football team. We all knew they had an outstanding defense, but it's looking like their offense is finally starting to pull some weight as well. This nonsense of they only beat this team by this much who almost lost to that team is ridiculous, and is no way to measure a team. Most National Champions we've seen, you could say the exact same thing. Anyone who has watched Notre Dame play this season could tell you they are capable of beating anyone. I will go so far as to compare them to Alabama. They don't have their talent and depth, but they play fundamentally sound football, and they have a dominating defense. When they get more consistent play at quarterback, Notre Dame is capable of beating anyone.
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I have watched EVERY ND game this year. THey have a very good DL and LB crew but their secondary is not great. OU threw for over 350yds and that game was a lot closer than the 30-13 final. OU had several mistakes and ND had very few. If it were not for their defense, ND may have lost this game but at least a couple others. Their biggest problem comes from the offense. Their offense had 3 big plays which set them up for scores. That is not normal for them. A good defensive team can shut down this offense. Neither QB is completing 60% of their passes and thier 2 starting RBs have a combined 7TDs. I'm not saying they are not a good football team, they are. They play sound, fundamental football. They will make you beat them instead of beating themselves, at least the defense will. They also have a +1 in turnover margin. But at the same time they are not a great football team. Why is it ridiculous to measure a team on how they do against other teams? How else do we measure a team. You can't go by stats or even by record alone. How many times has a team won and dropped because they barely beat another team that they were favored to beat by 20?

Just a couple notes on the OU game. On the 62yd TD run, both safeties were out of place, your MLB was way of his assignment and the OLB was out of place. On the 50yd pass, the 2-deep Safety bit on the play-action leaving the CB, who is supposed to have help over-the-top, beat. If that Safety plays his position the throw is never made, knocked down or more likely intercepted. ND had Luck of the Irish on their INT, which was a horribly thrown ball to begin with. And on their 15yd TD run, there were 4 missed tackles. ND had the luxuray of playing an OU team that made huge mistakes. That is why I say if they play a sound defensive football team (that has a decent offense, ND doesn't win. OU is a good team, but they had way too many issues on both sides of the ball. The USC game will be very interesting. USC has their own problems on defense, but has a good offense. It will be strength against strength

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