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Old 11-19-2012, 05:09 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Alabama has 30 people in NFL
California has 32 people in NFL.

ya, i dont think this argument is working.

Also about the Heisman... The Heisman is an award that is given to a player from an elite team who was able to exploit the weaknesses of the opponent he was facing. Unfortunately, the NFL does not have weaknesses like in college football. Also, the Heisman winner might not be on an elite team because they are picked first. The fact is, if you want a higher chance to succeed in the NFL, the best place to be drafted would be in the 20-32 range.
lol When did Bama become the entire SEC or Cal the entire PAC 12? These excuses being made against the dominanace of the SEC is both sad and amusing. Its great how those Heisman winners from USC become garabage in the NFL.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:32 AM   #42 (permalink)
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lol When did Bama become the entire SEC or Cal the entire PAC 12? These excuses being made against the dominanace of the SEC is both sad and amusing. Its great how those Heisman winners from USC become garabage in the NFL.
Im pretty sure its us who are laughing at you.I gave an example on how 1 would expect more NFL products from 1 team and less from another, giving an indication that NFL players is not a good judgement on the quality of the team.

Your comments do not apply to this conversation as they are both irrelevant and do not add value to this conversation as it was Canadian Speed who hinted at that SEC has the most players from a conference AND from a school.

Try to keep up with the relevance of the topic or just shut up and let the grownups talk.
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Im pretty sure its us who are laughing at you.I gave an example on how 1 would expect more NFL products from 1 team and less from another, giving an indication that NFL players is not a good judgement on the quality of the team.

Your comments do not apply to this conversation as they are both irrelevant and do not add value to this conversation as it was Canadian Speed who hinted at that SEC has the most players from a conference AND from a school.

Try to keep up with the relevance of the topic or just shut up and let the grownups talk.
1. Its clear from your posts that you are either confused or have a hard time with reading comprehension.
2. So I will leave you alone with your absurd thoughts, you poor delusional fool.
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Im pretty sure its us who are laughing at you.I gave an example on how 1 would expect more NFL products from 1 team and less from another, giving an indication that NFL players is not a good judgement on the quality of the team.

Your comments do not apply to this conversation as they are both irrelevant and do not add value to this conversation as it was Canadian Speed who hinted at that SEC has the most players from a conference AND from a school.

Try to keep up with the relevance of the topic or just shut up and let the grownups talk.
I found the article which I was talking about a while back... This is from this past season.

Average Pro Players Per Team Average

I don't understand the argument you were trying to get at with the Bama/Cal comparison... I think you were trying to say that the number of draft picks doesn't really speak to the talent/strength of the team... If that was the case, I could see how you would get that, but this conversation was about conferences, and while you chose an exception to try and poke a whole in the draft thing, it's like arguing that winter isn't the coldest month because in 2000, October was colder then November... It has to be taken as a whole. But lets not knock Cal so easily... In the late 90s and easrly 2K years, they were a force posting 8 winning seasons and had talents such as Aaron Rodgers, whom after he left, the team hasn't been the same. Where as Bama's presence as the cream of the NCAA as of late has really only been so in the last few seasons, after Saban go there (at least in this era). It stands to reason that there would be more players from Cal at this time then Bama, just as their will probably be more of Bama after this seaosn... Teams, as a rule, go up and down in time... A conference does not. And that's where taking a single team's numbers as a measuring stick is a false measuring stick. A conference's stability is much more telling and a stable example of performance.

And for the record, the SEC draft numbers just keep going up and up every year.

Also, I didn't see you use LSU as a measuring stick, or Gerogia, or Florida... All teams that have been strong for a while now and who have huge numbers in the league.
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I found the article which I was talking about a while back... This is from this past season.

Average Pro Players Per Team Average

I don't understand the argument you were trying to get at with the Bama/Cal comparison... I think you were trying to say that the number of draft picks doesn't really speak to the talent/strength of the team... If that was the case, I could see how you would get that, but this conversation was about conferences, and while you chose an exception to try and poke a whole in the draft thing, it's like arguing that winter isn't the coldest month because in 2000, October was colder then November... It has to be taken as a whole. But lets not knock Cal so easily... In the late 90s and easrly 2K years, they were a force posting 8 winning seasons and had talents such as Aaron Rodgers, whom after he left, the team hasn't been the same. Where as Bama's presence as the cream of the NCAA as of late has really only been so in the last few seasons, after Saban go there (at least in this era). It stands to reason that there would be more players from Cal at this time then Bama, just as their will probably be more of Bama after this seaosn... Teams, as a rule, go up and down in time... A conference does not. And that's where taking a single team's numbers as a measuring stick is a false measuring stick. A conference's stability is much more telling and a stable example of performance.

And for the record, the SEC draft numbers just keep going up and up every year.

Also, I didn't see you use LSU as a measuring stick, or Gerogia, or Florida... All teams that have been strong for a while now and who have huge numbers in the league.
You are correct that I did a quick poke based on 1 random sample and jumped out.

But since you put together a very logical and reasonable post, ill try to expand upon that.

(btw, i do honestly think that people who win the heisman are almost doomed from the start due to expectation, hype, and most importantly draft position)

You did speak about the fact that draft picks are a determination of a conference's strength. And based on your link, I See Pac10 (12 now) as being in 2nd with 3.1, but it has been argued that the Big10, Big12 (and some delusional people) say ACC is stronger. In addition, the Big East (on your link) is ranked higher than the Big10 and the Big12 is ranked last... say it isnt so!

In my opinion, NFL drafts can create a generalized view of the quality of a program, but it cant speak as to the exact ranking of a team OR conference. This is the case due to the style and readiness of a school vs NFL team.

(offtopic from the main point) as a CAL fan I can tell you that there were basically 3 years of good football played and thats it. If anything, the struggles associated with the program has made the NFL players more mentally tough as to extend their careers.
If you look at their w-l record in the 2000's
Alabama had 2002, 2005, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 with 10+ wins.
Cal had 2004, 2006 with 10 wins. 2005, 2008, 2009 with 8 or 9 wins.
So I would argue that your view of Cal being a dominant force vs Alabama just coming to play recently be retracted. The fact is, over the last 12 years, Cal has produced more than Alabama with less success on the football.
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Enough of ScottC's tomfoolery. Just like what Canadian Speed has been saying and hinting at the SEC has the most talent, that's why they have most players in the NFl. Pretty simple stuff, football is a way of life down south almost a religion and it starts when kids are young. Its hard to get a high school kid to leave the South and go up north for football where their family and friends are further away. Of course high school football is very big in Texas, Ok, and Ohio but not in their overall conferences like in the SEC.




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Enough of ScottC's tomfoolery. Just like what Canadian Speed has been saying and hinting at the SEC has the most talent, that's why they have most players in the NFl. Pretty simple stuff, football is a way of life down south almost a religion and it starts when kids are young. Its hard to get a high school kid to leave the South and go up north for football where their family and friends are further away. Of course high school football is very big in Texas, Ok, and Ohio but not in their overall conferences like in the SEC.




Wow, great research... and i completely agree with the fact that Alaska supplies superior talent than Minnesota and Hawaii puts Oklahoma to shame while Utah an d Hawaii is a football factory compared to that of California. and I am sure anyone else who reads that will also completely agree with that great research.

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I'm with Scott on this one Utah beat Cali for FBS? I guess maybe in just 2011? Seems strange. Also how many of the players moved states too get into different pipeline states to go to their school of choice?
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I'm with Scott on this one Utah beat Cali for FBS? I guess maybe in just 2011? Seems strange. Also how many of the players moved states too get into different pipeline states to go to their school of choice?
A lot of recuirtment rules... Not sure this is a valid argument.

I know of it happening only with a couple kids that moved going into high school, C'mon CS you know the rules get broken all the time.
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A lot of recuirtment rules... Not sure this is a valid argument.
It has happened in the past however, NCAA has handled every scenario individually. This is not privied information except to those parties involved...

At least , this is what I was told...
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