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Old 11-20-2012, 01:47 PM   #11 (permalink)
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It's not about what is more fun, it is about which two teams deserve to go based on their schedule and what they have done with it. Andy Staples at SI has A&M ranked second which is asinine.

What are your guys' thoughts on Georgia? They got crushed by SC but beat Florida (Fla had 6 TO I believe). I just don't see how Alabama won't win the NCG this year.
Weird, here I was thinking it was about finding the best team in the country. I guess one loss Florida and Notre Dame should go in ahead of Alabama/Georgia.

Alabama won't win the NCG if they play Oregon.
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Exactly right, and exactly what is wrong with the current system. Bias gives them that strength of schedule more than anything. I've watched Florida play all year, and they shouldn't even be a top ten team. Their best, and I'd argue only relevant win was over Texas A&M in their first game of the season. Florida benefits from SC and LSU being extremely over ranked, along with most of the SEC. You don't beat a mid level Sun Belt team on a last second blocked punt and get to play for a NC, or at least outside of the SEC you don't.

This is why I'm so against a non conference champion playing for a NC. Even Oregon really shouldn't be involved if Stanford wins Saturday, but I think they deserve to go more than Florida. I'll be rooting for FSU and UCLA this weekend. Georgia/Alabama against Oregon sounds a lot more fun than watching Florida try to remember how to play offense.
And the fact that they played both of them in Gainesville.
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Alabama won't win the NCG if they play Oregon.
Right b/c the Ducks offense is unstoppable. First time this season they played a defense ranked in the top 25, and they can only muster 14 pts at home.
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:12 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Weird, here I was thinking it was about finding the best team in the country. I guess one loss Florida and Notre Dame should go in ahead of Alabama/Georgia.

Alabama won't win the NCG if they play Oregon.
The only thing you got right in your post is the punctuation. The NCG is not about the two best teams playing, it is about the two most deserving teams playing. See Notre Dame. No one is claiming they don't belong in the NCG, but also no one is claiming they are a top two team. Teams play their schedules and two most deserving move on.

To drive my point home that it is about "deserving" and not "best" is 2009. Undefeated Alabama played undefeated Texas. Based on who they played and how they played, they "deserved" to go. There is no doubt in my mind that Alabama and Florida were the two "best" teams, but Bama won the head to head in the SECCG so that left Fla out of the NCG. If we only wanted the "best" then leave undefeated Texas out and stick in one loss Florida.

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The only thing you got right in your post is the punctuation.
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The only thing you got right in your post is the punctuation. The NCG is not about the two best teams playing, it is about the two most deserving teams playing. See Notre Dame. No one is claiming they don't belong in the NCG, but also no one is claiming they are a top two team. Teams play their schedules and two most deserving move on.

To drive my point home that it is about "deserving" and not "best" is 2009. Undefeated Alabama played undefeated Texas. Based on who they played and how they played, they "deserved" to go. There is no doubt in my mind that Alabama and Florida were the two "best" teams, but Bama won the head to head in the SECCG so that left Fla out of the NCG. If we only wanted the "best" then leave undefeated Texas out and stick in one loss Florida.
I'll let that one go, since you didn't even get that right in yours.

If they go undefeated with their schedule they absolutely are a top two team, and more than belong. Last year Alabama didn't deserve to go, and still did. Most around here argued it was because they were the second best team in the country. They didn't even manage to win their own division, but they were more "deserving" than a one loss Big 12 Champion? Don't think so.

2009 is nothing but your opinion. There's no doubt in my mind that if Colt McCoy played more than five downs, Texas wins that game. We see where that goes. Exactly nowhere, because it's just an opinion.

"To drive my point home" is 2008. Not only did the BCS pass over Texas for the CCG for a one loss Oklahoma they already beat, undefeated Utah was passed over for two teams with a loss. The perception was that Oklahoma was still better than Texas, and that Utah wasn't better than either team. That Utah team beat SEC West champion Alabama soundly, but they weren't more "deserving"?
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I'll let that one go, since you didn't even get that right in yours.

If they go undefeated with their schedule they absolutely are a top two team, and more than belong. Last year Alabama didn't deserve to go, and still did. Most around here argued it was because they were the second best team in the country. They didn't even manage to win their own division, but they were more "deserving" than a one loss Big 12 Champion? Don't think so.

2009 is nothing but your opinion. There's no doubt in my mind that if Colt McCoy played more than five downs, Texas wins that game. We see where that goes. Exactly nowhere, because it's just an opinion.

"To drive my point home" is 2008. Not only did the BCS pass over Texas for the CCG for a one loss Oklahoma they already beat, undefeated Utah was passed over for two teams with a loss. The perception was that Oklahoma was still better than Texas, and that Utah wasn't better than either team. That Utah team beat SEC West champion Alabama soundly, but they weren't more "deserving"?
You must be relatively new to watching the sport. Anyone who watches bowl games know that it is primarily about who wants to be there. You take a team like Kent State or Duke this year that hasnt been to a bowl game since the 90s, and they will be fired up to go to a lower tier bowl. You take a team like Mich St or Ark (if either make it to a game) and they would see making a lower tier bowl game as a huge let down and not be fired up. Bama making the Sugar bowl and losing to Utah is a prime example. Bama had their sights set on the NCG and they fell short. Utah on the other hand was making a BCS game, one of the two best regular seasons of their program's history. Utah was playing with everything they had and Bama was mailing it in. Same thing when Michigan beat Florida in the Cap One bowl. Or more recently when Nebraska crushed Washington (in Washington) during the regular season and then Wash wins the bowl game rematch. Any one who has followed bowl season knows this trend perfectly.

Texas still would have lost with Colt McCoy, that Bama team was ridiculous. As soon as they got up by double digits they went in to ultra conservative mode on offense. If they would have wanted to prove a point, they could have won by 40+. There is nothing to prove in the NCG. Just get the score out of reach, go conservative, and work the clock.

And last year the two best and most deserving teams went. Being the #2 SEC team is a lot more impressive and significantly tougher than winning the Big XII.

My post sounds like I am an SEC guy, but I am all Big Ten. The difference between you and me is that I can separate emotion out of it. I wish the Big Ten was better than the SEC, but we arent, and the SEC is absolutely dominant. They very well could have the best five teams in the country this year in their conference. If you are sick of the SEC after their 6 year run (soon to be 7) just wait until the playoffs start. They will have two teams in the field most years and it will be possible to have three.

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You must be relatively new to watching the sport. Anyone who watches bowl games know that it is primarily about who wants to be there. You take a team like Kent State or Duke this year that hasnt been to a bowl game since the 90s, and they will be fired up to go to a lower tier bowl. You take a team like Mich St or Ark (if either make it to a game) and they would see making a lower tier bowl game as a huge let down and not be fired up. Bama making the Sugar bowl and losing to Utah is a prime example. Bama had their sights set on the NCG and they fell short. Utah on the other hand was making a BCS game, one of the two best regular seasons of their program's history. Utah was playing with everything they had and Bama was mailing it in. Same thing when Michigan beat Florida in the Cap One bowl. Or more recently when Nebraska crushed Washington (in Washington) during the regular season and then Wash wins the bowl game rematch. Any one who has followed bowl season knows this trend perfectly.

Texas still would have lost with Colt McCoy, that Bama team was ridiculous. As soon as they got up by double digits they went in to ultra conservative mode on offense. If they would have wanted to prove a point, they could have won by 40+. There is nothing to prove in the NCG. Just get the score out of reach, go conservative, and work the clock.

And last year the two best and most deserving teams went. Being the #2 SEC team is a lot more impressive and significantly tougher than winning the Big XII.

My post sounds like I am an SEC guy, but I am all Big Ten. The difference between you and me is that I can separate emotion out of it. I wish the Big Ten was better than the SEC, but we arent, and the SEC is absolutely dominant. They very well could have the best five teams in the country this year in their conference. If you are sick of the SEC after their 6 year run (soon to be 7) just wait until the playoffs start. They will have two teams in the field most years and it will be possible to have three.

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First of all, I've probably played football longer than you've been alive. I say that with a fairly high level of confidence because your posts read like someone who gets their information from talk radio and Mark May. If you'd ever stepped foot on a field, you'd probably know that nobody likes to lose to anyone, least of all "lesser" competition like Utah. I'm sure that when your Xbox team doesn't make the NC your little digital guys are probably really disappointed, but in the real world no one ever packs it in and lets Utah push them around. Ask Nick Saban, or any of his players if that's how it happened. How about that 2009 Florida team you talked about? That was a team in a nearly identical situation as the previous year's Alabama team. Left watching a NC they felt they were good enough to be in, and playing a "lesser" Cincinnati team that didn't belong in the same game. They blew them out of the stadium exactly how they should have. Coaches, players and fans alike don't want to lose to teams like Boise State or Utah, but sometimes you just get outplayed. Anyone who's ever played the game knows this perfectly.

Did you even watch that game? Alabama didn't change their game plan at all. They started the game running the ball, and finished the game running the ball, even when Texas closed to within a field goal. They created some turnovers on a freshman QB, turnovers McCoy likely wouldn't have committed. They didn't have the offense to score 40+ on a Texas defense that I believe was ranked second in the country.

In your opinion. Guess we'll never know. Thanks again BCS.

Your post sounds like Mark May. Unlike you, I don't get emotionally attached to what a bunch of kids do on the football field, and I'm not a conference guy. I don't care how good the Big Ten is or how good the SEC is. I have a team I root for, and they've been doing pretty good for awhile. The SEC can have all the fun they want, they need it because there sure isn't much else going on down here. I can't wait for a playoff, as long as ESPN doesn't find a way to get four SEC teams in I'll be more than happy.

Who still says that...
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Oh yeah, this too:



This is my last post on this subject. The whole arguing with a fool thing comes to mind. Knock yourself out though...
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Even when Bama wins convincingly they still should have lost in his delusional mind. lol If only Colt McCoy wasn't a lil pu$$y and could take a very soft hit. If only Texas would have scored more points than Bama. If if and buts were candy and nuts it would be Christmas everyday. lol Your hateful tears are delicious.

By the way our much less talented QB played the whole championship game with broken ribs. Its call having heart and having a pair. Something you seem to know very little about.

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