[LandRun89']

Originally Posted by AggieNation

All teams have bad games. A&M's this year was Ole Miss, which we still won! LA Tech? They were ranked #23 we were #22. It was SUPPOSED to be a close game.

IMO I feel that if A&M had stayed in the Big 12 this year, it would be OU and A&M competing for the championship. I do not feel that many of the Big 12 were good this year, maybe with the exception of some explosive offenses such as Ok State, Baylor, and Tech.

A&M 2 losses were a combination of 8 points to LSU and Florida, 2 top 10 teams and 2 teams that I have no doubt in my mind that would win the Big 12. Please don't let this become an SEC being the best conference discussion again. We all have our opinions.

After all that is said, I am excited to see A&M vs OU, in fact Kingsbury leaving will give us a new challenge that we can once again get over. The past one being that A&M could not compete in the SEC.

Interesting again... Your opinions are always just shy of almost not being complete in analysis...

However, I agree with at least it could have come down to OU, KSU and aTm if you guys were still here. Spread offenses are a threat obviously, to many SEC teams...

It won't get any better in the future for the conference in the coming seasons either...

[BamaChamps]

Originally Posted by LandRun89'

Interesting again... Your opinions are always just shy of almost not being complete in analysis...

However, I agree with at least it could have come down to OU, KSU and aTm if you guys were still here. Spread offenses are a threat obviously, to many SEC teams...

It won't get any better in the future for the conference in the coming seasons either...

Spread offenses in generally are no more of a threat than any other offense against a good defense. Any offense with an elite playmaker at the qb position like a heisman winner qb for instance will give a defense trouble. By the way A&M didn't bring in or revolutionize the spread, Steve Spurrier did that in the SEC way back during the 90's, fun and gun Fl Gators. Most teams in the SEC has been using a form of the spread for years now.

Any Heisman winning qb like Tebow, Cam Newton, Johnny Football will give defenses trouble based on their ability to scramble and make plays, not on one partiular offensive system.

The real question is why does the Big 12 struggle so much trying to play tackle football on D?

[LandRun89']

Originally Posted by BamaChamps

Spread offenses in generally are no more of a threat than any other offense against a good defense. Any offense with an elite playmaker at the qb position like a heisman winner qb for instance will give a defense trouble. By the way A&M didn't bring in or revolutionize the spread, Steve Spurrier did that in the SEC way back during the 90's, fun and gun Fl Gators. Most teams in the SEC has been using a form of the spread for years now.

Any Heisman winning qb like Tebow, Cam Newton, Johnny Football will give defenses trouble based on their ability to scramble and make plays, not on one partiular offensive system.

The real question is why does the Big 12 struggle so much trying to play tackle football on D?

Maybe for the same reasons that the #1 Elite Defense in the nation had on their day of infamy against a Fr. QB whom couldn't be tackled... Wow, right out of High School!

I still like the fact that this season with aTm's team, has 90% Big XII recruits on that team and will for a couple more seasons!...

Compelling thought, wouldn't you say?...

[Kinnick]

He's not right out of high school, he is a red shirt Freshman. It's his second year in the program.

[BamaChamps]

Originally Posted by LandRun89'

Maybe for the same reasons that the #1 Elite Defense in the nation had on their day of infamy against a Fr. QB whom couldn't be tackled... Wow, right out of High School!

I still like the fact that this season with aTm's team, has 90% Big XII recruits on that team and will for a couple more seasons!...

Compelling thought, wouldn't you say?...

What's compelling about you stating the same point that I already mentioned aboved? You on the other hand incorrectly identified that spread offenses are hard to stop, when the truth is that a elite playmaker at the qb position is hard to stop no matter what system they are in.

Missouri had 90% Big XII recruits too, so what. I still like the fact that you continue to discredit and disregard the great coaching job that Sumlin and his staff has done.

But don't worry you will get to witness it first hand in a couple of weeks, when OK lose to another SEC team and (90% Big 12 recruits).

[LandRun89']

Originally Posted by BamaChamps

What's compelling about you stating the same point that I already mentioned aboved? You on the other hand incorrectly identified that spread offenses are hard to stop, when the truth is that a elite playmaker at the qb position is hard to stop no matter what system they are in.

Missouri had 90% Big XII recruits too, so what. I still like the fact that you continue to discredit and disregard the great coaching job that Sumlin and his staff has done.

But don't worry you will get to witness it first hand in a couple of weeks, when OK lose to another SEC team and (90% Big 12 recruits).

I recognized the fact that your statement was a question on defense i.e., On Big XII...

Now I was essentially posing the same question on the almighty SEC Elite #1 defense of Bama against the inability to tackle Johnny Football. Don't try to flip or turn any additional thought on a direct, legitimate factual obvious question onto a different path in subject !...

Missouri dosen't have the same recruits as aTm, obviously!... Hmmm? THat subject is team issue not conference... You just brought in Missouri, my statement was facts on specificically referencing the recruits of aTm...

Your funny Chumps...

[AggieNation]

Originally Posted by LandRun89'

I recognized the fact that your statement was a question on defense i.e., On Big XII...

Now I was essentially posing the same question on the almighty SEC Elite #1 defense of Bama against the inability to tackle Johnny Football. Don't try to flip or turn any additional thought on a direct, legitimate factual obvious question onto a different path in subject !...

Missouri dosen't have the same recruits as aTm, obviously!... Hmmm? THat subject is team issue not conference... You just brought in Missouri, my statement was facts on specificically referencing the recruits of aTm...

Your funny Chumps...

Big 12 or SEC, I don't think any defense would keep him contained.

[JDIII2007]

Originally Posted by BamaChamps

What's compelling about you stating the same point that I already mentioned aboved? You on the other hand incorrectly identified that spread offenses are hard to stop, when the truth is that a elite playmaker at the qb position is hard to stop no matter what system they are in.

Missouri had 90% Big XII recruits too, so what. I still like the fact that you continue to discredit and disregard the great coaching job that Sumlin and his staff has done.

But don't worry you will get to witness it first hand in a couple of weeks, when OK lose to another SEC team and (90% Big 12 recruits).

I saw Sumlin coach at Houston...he is nothing special as a coach. Lots of coaches at his level. The fact is the SEC is just not used to passing offenses and Ark and Auburn were way down which led to A&M's good year. Missouri isn't on par with the other passing offenses of the Big12. Their starting QB who got hurt isn't on their level as he basically just a runner.

Manziel had a good year but he is going to have a hard time staying healthy next year. He is still an undersized QB who can only avoid the hits for so long. I hope he doesn't get hurt for his sake but the odds are against him. This next year will be the real test for him as all the SEC defenses will have film on him and should be able to game plan better. Also, if A&M loses those two OTs to the NFL, Manziel is going to have an even tougher time too.

[BamaChamps]

I wonder why some of you guys refuse to give Sumlin the credit that he earned. No one is stating that he is an elite coach yet b/c only time can tell that, but his record speaks for itself and he is off to a great start.

The fact is that elite SEC defenses does better against passing offenses than any other conferences. Every single time so called high powered offenses like Oregon and Ok go up against the SEC in championship games they are shut down.

Its funny how Missouri recruits are no good now when before the season started, most experts picked them to have more success in the SEC than A&M. B/c they had a returning starter qb Franklin who passed for over 2,800 yds and 21 tds and ran for 981 and 15 tds in 2011. Plus they had a highly ranked recruiting class (just ask Show Me Tigers) led by the no. 1 ranked recruit in the nation in Dorial Green-Beckham. And they had an experience Coach and coaching staff that had been together for years.

And their last year in the Big 12 Missouri finished 8-5, while A%M finished 7-6. So the talent level between Missouri and A&M was pretty even or one could even easily argue that Missouri had more experienced talent before this season started.

Sumlin deserve credit for coaching up his team to reach their highest potential while bringing in a completely new coach staff and a first year starting qb to run his system. And he did all that in the toughest conference in the nation in his first year with the team.

[LandRun89']

Originally Posted by Kinnick

He's not right out of high school, he is a red shirt Freshman. It's his second year in the program.

Same difference to me... RS? Up til this season, last live action was HS ball...