[LandRun89']

Originally Posted by AggieNation

Big 12 or SEC, I don't think any defense would keep him contained.

Exactly!... I never stated anything to the contrary about Manziel nor did I even bring him up in reference to Chumps wanting to throw insults at the Big XII defenses...

Still, not even a year removed from the Big XII(aTm), Big XII recruits beat his #1 Elite SEC(Saban Elite Conference)Defense!... Nothing can change that fact and it is obvious to me for a long time that most Original SEC'ers want to sugar coat aTm's victory now, with proudly stating it as SEC's aTm... SEC'ers want to forget the fact they rode the bandwagon as well with everyone else who said that aTm wouldn't probably do well their first season and many even suggested that it might take a few SEC Recruiting years...

Thats fine!... Still, Fr. QB's first season and first for aTm in SEC and in Tuscaloosa, that #1 Elite SEC Defense who only lost once at home in five years, went down!...

I know...kind of hard to swallow! I understand perfectly!...

[LandRun89']

Originally Posted by BamaChamps

I wonder why some of you guys refuse to give Sumlin the credit that he earned. No one is stating that he is an elite coach yet b/c only time can tell that, but his record speaks for itself and he is off to a great start.

The fact is that elite SEC defenses does better against passing offenses than any other conferences. Every single time so called high powered offenses like Oregon and Ok go up against the SEC in championship games they are shut down.

Its funny how Missouri recruits are no good now when before the season started, most experts picked them to have more success in the SEC than A&M. B/c they had a returning starter qb Franklin who passed for over 2,800 yds and 21 tds and ran for 981 and 15 tds in 2011. Plus they had a highly ranked recruiting class (just ask Show Me Tigers) led by the no. 1 ranked recruit in the nation in Dorial Green-Beckham. And they had an experience Coach and coaching staff that had been together for years.

And their last year in the Big 12 Missouri finished 8-5, while A%M finished 7-6. So the talent level between Missouri and A&M was pretty even or one could even easily argue that Missouri had more experienced talent before this season started.

Sumlin deserve credit for coaching up his team to reach their highest potential while bringing in a completely new coach staff and a first year starting qb to run his system. And he did all that in the toughest conference in the nation in his first year with the team.

Chumps, your getting confused here a lot! I never said anything bad about Sumlin. Several years ago, you should know or remember that he was on the Sooner Staff. Bob and many Big XII fans know and respect him!... He wouldn't have been here in Norman if he weren't!... ???

As for Missouri, I never discredited the quality of the players on the Tigers recruiting or roster... I was just trying to keep you focused on what I posted and what I stated and to only, what I am stating. You have a bad habit to generically coral people into being thrown in on other subject matter! I can't help if these so called experts, gave credit to Mizzou for better recruiting and somehow, aTm wasn't!... ??? I am not those people!... ??? You brought up MIssouri, I didn't!...

I can't bash Sumlin nor aTm... 10-2, pretty darn good if you ask me!...

[LandRun89']

Got news for everyone, it doesn't matter what these stats are or on anything else. Yet we try to create legitimate points that might be of interests or it becomes argumentative... Wow, is it just being proudly obnoxious?... Possibly, irrelevent?... LOL!...

Here it is... OU has won 8 of its last 9 games with Texas A&M, but will enter the Cotton Bowl as the underdog. The reason: A&M's Heisman Trophy winning QB, Johnny Heisman.

"It starts with their QB. He's a new guy, a freshmen. They kind of caught people off guard," OU's DE David King said, "I think now, across the SEC and the Big XII and the country, he's taken people by storm. He's a great player. He won the Heisman, obviouly. He's a play maker."

The Sooners have been open with statements that they have their challenge and work cut out for them. The Sooners opened practice last Saturday in preparation for the game January 4th, in Dallas at Cowboy Stadium...

[BamaChamps]

Originally Posted by AggieNation

Big 12 or SEC, I don't think any defense would keep him contained.

LSU and FL already did and limited A&M offense to only 17 and 19 points.

[LandRun89']

Originally Posted by BamaChamps

LSU and FL already did and limited A&M offense to only 17 and 19 points.

Yeah... The best thing is, the Crimson Tide didn't! Also, at home in Tuscaloosa!...

What?... How about all that Saban this and Saban that?... How about all that SEC/National Dominance talk of Bama? Elite Defense? And at home?... LOL!...

Unfortunately, it is all relevent for Bama! I think I would save the word elite, if Bama or whoever goes undefeated in the NCG from now on! Bama may win the NCG but that day is just short of all that bold Braggart Bama jive!...

If Bama does win it, it will be just another #2 or second rated winning season for the Tide...

Wow...if ND wins, it stands to reason that we could have a Elite ND NC!...

KC Logo?... Where did that come from FBF?... I hate the interferrence...

[BamaChamps]

Originally Posted by LandRun89'

Yeah... The best thing is, the Crimson Tide didn't! Also, at home in Tuscaloosa!...

A&M deserves all the credit for that victory. Still doesn't change the fact that the two other SEC teams I mentioned contained Johnny Football.

What?... How about all that Saban this and Saban that?... How about all that SEC/National Dominance talk of Bama? Elite Defense? And at home?... LOL!...

All that is still true. lol SEC has still been dominant, and Bama is still #1 or # 2 in every significant defensive catergory. I still don't see how when one SEC team beats another SEC team, that subtracts from national dominance instead of adding conference strength.

Unfortunately, it is all relevent for Bama! I think I would save the word elite, if Bama or whoever goes undefeated in the NCG from now on! Bama may win the NCG but that day is just short of all that bold Braggart Bama jive!...

Back to back potential champs would be first in BSC era and three out of four. I would say that the "bold Braggart Bama jive" is alive and well and flourishing.

If Bama does win it, it will be just another #2 or second rated winning season for the Tide...

Another title sounds good to me I would gladly accept it as would most college fans I guess. But that statement is funny coming from a Choklahoma fan.

Wow...if ND wins, it stands to reason that we could have a Elite ND NC!...

If you think ND would be an elite champion, than I feel sorry for you. They would probably be the weakest champ in quite a while. They have been far from dominant except I guess against Oklahoma, so I see why you would think so. lol lol lol

[ShowMeTigers]

Originally Posted by BamaChamps

If you think ND would be an elite champion, than I feel sorry for you. They would probably be the weakest champ in quite a while. They have been far from dominant except I guess against Oklahoma, so I see why you would think so. lol lol lol

This Notre Dame team won because of defense, period in every game. They do have an elite defense. They are not unlike last years LSU and Alabama teams, both of which was loaded on Defense but average offensively. I tend to agree that ND is not elite, if they win they would be just as elite as Bama this year and last year.

[BamaChamps]

Bama last year was better on defense and had only blowouts except for the one close game which they lost. ND escaped Pitt in overtime, beat Stanford in overtime by 1 td and controversial finish, beat Mich by 1 td, and only beat BYU and Purdue by 3 points. Looking at the season as a whole, ND is the least impressive potential champ given all of their close games most against average and below teams.

[ShowMeTigers]

Originally Posted by BamaChamps

Bama last year was better on defense and had only blowouts except for the one close game which they lost. ND escaped Pitt in overtime, beat Stanford in overtime by 1 td and controversial finish, beat Mich by 1 td, and only beat BYU and Purdue by 3 points. Looking at the season as a whole, ND is the least impressive potential champ given all of their close games most against average and below teams.

Undefeated Auburn 2010-2011

@ Mississipi State 17-14
Clemson 27-24
South Carolina 35-27
@ Kentucky 37-34
LSU 24-17
Oregon 22-19

[BamaChamps]

Originally Posted by ShowMeTigers

Undefeated Auburn 2010-2011

@ Mississipi State 17-14
Clemson 27-24
South Carolina 35-27
@ Kentucky 37-34
LSU 24-17
Oregon 22-19

Cam Newton is the closest player to every win a college football title almost singlehandedly.