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Old 12-19-2012, 06:28 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Stats can always be manipulated and are often misleading, if not put in the proper context. For example Bama is the favorite according to Las Vegas and betting odds, but Notre Dame is the # 1 ranked team in the BCS. So from the BCS perspective, #2 Bama is actually the underdog.

In the last ten years of the BCS, #2 has beaten #1 seven times. So the higher ranked team is only 3-7 in the last 10 BCS Championship games. And the SEC has not lost to another conference in the BCS title game going a perfect 8-0.

Of course stats won't win the title, but there are plenty of stats and trends in Bama's favor as well.
Until now, most of your posts to me have appeared to present your perspective. Talk about manipulation... I am shocked that you would be satisfied with the BCS perspective, ND as #1...

Do you concede to the perspective of Bama being #2?... Is that what your suggesting here in your post?...
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:42 AM   #12 (permalink)
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All-American Center, Barrett Jones thinks that most players went through the drill in 2011 and veterans like him were part of the 2009 championship team is "overrated" in getting ready for this one. Here is what he had further to say...

"The fact that Alabama has been in the national championship before, that is not going to help us once the ball is snapped!"

As I have stated time and time again, doesn't matter what happened your last 60 minutes of ball, the 60 minutes of play before that and nor in the last 10-14 years of CFB history!

Football and life itself, is to be lived and experienced for the moment and in this case, in just 60 minutes of ball! That is what is really the essence of revelance for this game...

I look forward to watching this NCG...
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Until now, most of your posts to me have appeared to present your perspective. Talk about manipulation... I am shocked that you would be satisfied with the BCS perspective, ND as #1...

Do you concede to the perspective of Bama being #2?... Is that what your suggesting here in your post?...
I don't know why that's shocking or even a concession, its more of a factual statement based on the actual BCS rankings. The only time that being #1 matters is after the game on Jan 7th. Other than that its just a target on your back. Bama has historically played at its best when ranked #2 in title games like last year and in 1992.

Based on how this season played out Notre Dame should be #1 for now.
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I don't think either team has an advantage in the area of mentality. Notre Dame is a big underdog and they know they have to play their absolute best game to win. Good mentality for Notre Dame. Alabama lost one of the last regular season games to bring them back to reality. They know now that they don't just automatically win games because they have more talent/size/speed/physicality. Bama too will have to play their best game to win. Don't forget that ND actually has a better defense on paper and they played a formidable schedule, not too much different than Bama's schedule. Both teams will be fired up. Bama has the advantage but the Irish Defense will give them a chance.
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Based on mentality going into the NCG, do you think Bama or ND has the upper hand? My argument for Bama is that they have been through this before and with this being ND's first NCG in the current era, they could be distracted by the festivities, all the awards, and not have a clear head going into the NCG. Whereas Bama has been successfully through it twice in the last three years, they can just get to Miami and go to work. One trend that I can't ignore is past NCG appearances for teams. FSU won 99 then lost 00. Okl won 00 then lost 03, 04, 08. Miami won 01 then lost 02. Ohio St won 02 then lost 06, 07. USC won 04 then lost 05. Texas won 05 then lost 09. LSU won 03 and 07 then lost 11. Alabama has won 09, 11... I see a trend. It seems like the first time a team makes it they are very hungry. I'm not saying the opponent isn't hungry, I don't know if overconfidence or complacency sets in.

What are your guys thoughts?

In the interest of full disclosure, FSU did lose 98.
Well, if you don't take a Bama All-American's take on all of this suggestive speculation, you are just throwing more non-sense into the frying pan... 60 minutes of ball is your answer!...

Thing is, most of the country will agree with Jones and I!...
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Old 12-20-2012, 08:31 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Stats can always be manipulated and are often misleading, if not put in the proper context. For example Bama is the favorite according to Las Vegas and betting odds, but Notre Dame is the # 1 ranked team in the BCS. So from the BCS perspective, #2 Bama is actually the underdog.

In the last ten years of the BCS, #2 has beaten #1 seven times. So the higher ranked team is only 3-7 in the last 10 BCS Championship games. And the SEC has not lost to another conference in the BCS title game going a perfect 8-0.

Of course stats won't win the title, but there are plenty of stats and trends in Bama's favor as well.
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I don't know why that's shocking or even a concession, its more of a factual statement based on the actual BCS rankings. The only time that being #1 matters is after the game on Jan 7th. Other than that its just a target on your back. Bama has historically played at its best when ranked #2 in title games like last year and in 1992.

Based on how this season played out Notre Dame should be #1 for now.
Stats? You mix game and a individual season stats which is irrelevent to past CFB Historical stats. Now is for now, like this season and this NCG with these two individual teams. Talking about keeping things in proper context?...

I only brought up Vegas's obvious perspective cause you SEC'ers and Vegas for now, always seem to agree! Thing is, Vegas doesn't always wash!... ???

I am tired and bored now, for waiting to see statements in proper context that allows some validity!...

Consider the Bama All-American's take on this game, most people who have been involved through this game in their lives know all too well, what it is really about!...
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Based on mentality going into the NCG, do you think Bama or ND has the upper hand? My argument for Bama is that they have been through this before and with this being ND's first NCG in the current era, they could be distracted by the festivities, all the awards, and not have a clear head going into the NCG. Whereas Bama has been successfully through it twice in the last three years, they can just get to Miami and go to work. One trend that I can't ignore is past NCG appearances for teams. FSU won 99 then lost 00. Okl won 00 then lost 03, 04, 08. Miami won 01 then lost 02. Ohio St won 02 then lost 06, 07. USC won 04 then lost 05. Texas won 05 then lost 09. LSU won 03 and 07 then lost 11. Alabama has won 09, 11... I see a trend. It seems like the first time a team makes it they are very hungry. I'm not saying the opponent isn't hungry, I don't know if overconfidence or complacency sets in.

What are your guys thoughts?

In the interest of full disclosure, FSU did lose 98.
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All-American Center, Barrett Jones thinks that most players went through the drill in 2011 and veterans like him were part of the 2009 championship team is "overrated" in getting ready for this one. Here is what he had further to say...

"The fact that Alabama has been in the national championship before, that is not going to help us once the ball is snapped!"

As I have stated time and time again, doesn't matter what happened your last 60 minutes of ball, the 60 minutes of play before that and nor in the last 10-14 years of CFB history!

Football and life itself, is to be lived and experienced for the moment and in this case, in just 60 minutes of ball! That is what is really the essence of revelance for this game...

I look forward to watching this NCG...
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Well, if you don't take a Bama All-American's take on all of this suggestive speculation, you are just throwing more non-sense into the frying pan... 60 minutes of ball is your answer!...

Thing is, most of the country will agree with Jones and I!...
Kinnick, I have been mulling this around for the last two days whether to tell you or not too. After laughing about it for a good while today, I thought WTH, I should give credit, where credit is due!...

Every holiday season various members from abroad call us and wish us "Happy Holiday Greetings", as many of us experience this every year! Naturally!...

It just so happened that he called me the evening on the day that you made your post above. I have obviously collected it, to move on with this recent 48 hour development for this post and the rest of this story...

He always wants to discuss football, imagine that? Being that he is the SID of one of the three broadcasting biggies in this country. I brought up your post in subject and out of nowhere he ran with it and told me that it gave him an idea for a up coming interview piece that they had on the schedule at their affiliate national sports network...

I thought, if I was to tell Kinnick, he would never believe me then, I thought what the he((, I need to give some credit where it is due!...

He called me Thursday night and told me to watch a interview piece on Saban that would air this weekend!...
After watching it this morning, I was grinning from ear to ear and laughing histerically!... Too funny man!... He has never reacted to anything in our discussions to be considered as an idea in a sports broadcast piece like this!... LOL!...

The interview will re-run probably til the NCG!... I'm sure! Man, I could not believe it! Kinnick...this is probably as close of a brush as you'll ever get to sports media fame! Hahahaha!...

Sorry dude!... I don't care if you believe this or not!... I know the truth!...

Really dude, I mean this when I say this, "Merry Christmas!"...

Nick and Barrett don't see eye to eye with ya but I got to hand it to you, for giving a good idea to someone, somewhere who knew what to do with those thoughts!... LOL!...

We'll just keep this where it belongs!... NO WHERE!...

Remaining in the FBF threads forever!... LOL!...

I'll remember this forever!...

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