[M-247gunner]

Originally Posted by gatorfan

1. We don't call it "crying" -- we prefer the term "lobbying".

2. They still earned it because they beat both teams - actually by a WIDE margin.

3. It's pretty much ALL political. Look at how many BCS games Notre Dame has gone to that they have NO business even being near.

I wouldn't think you'd wanna mention wide victory margins in championship games.

[P-Rez25]

Originally Posted by gatorfan

1. We don't call it "crying" -- we prefer the term "lobbying".

2. They still earned it because they beat both teams - actually by a WIDE margin.

3. It's pretty much ALL political. Look at how many BCS games Notre Dame has gone to that they have NO business even being near.

1. lobbying huh, its know as crying to the rest of the nation

2. ????? 1996 THEY LOST TO #2 FSU IN THE LAST GAME OF THE YEAR, if they got a rematch then in 1996, Michigan shouldve gotten one in 2006. if you the kind of Gator fan that didnt want Michigan to have a rematch, then your discrediting the rematch that you got with FSU 10 years earlier. either way it make Gator fans the biggest hypocrites in the world. besides it must be nice to have the head of the BCS graduate from an SEC school

3. another head scratcher, you should do some homework, Notre Dame has only been in 3 BCS bowls 01, 06, and 07 and each time it was after a 10 win season. i dont know what kinda football you watch but a 10 win team deseves to play in a BCS bowl

[Akiak]

Ohio State is by far the most hated team. The fans really hate them when they loss the National Championship so badly and others hate them because they have gone to the big game three times since Tressel has taken over.

Go Bucks

[gatorfan]

Here's some Notre Dame homework you:
2000 season - 9 wins 3 losses. Ranked 22nd (not even CLOSE to the top 10). Lost to, no, make that, got demolished by Oregon St 41-9 in Fiesta bowl.

2005 season - 9 wins-3 losses. Ranked 18th (closer to 20th than 10th). Once again - humiliated by THE ohio st luckeyes in the Fiesta Bowl (you'd think the Fiesta bowl folks would learn) 34-20.

2006 season - finally! a 10 win season. 10w,3l. Ranked 19th. Once again, royally spanked, this time in N'awlens by LSU 41-14.

So - the TOP ranking ND had in these three BCS years was 18th. Gee - I can't remember any other teams anywhere near #18 who played in a BCS game, ever.

So I still say - just having a 10 win season didn't put a lot of other teams in a BCS game, even though they probably deserved it much more than ND - so why ND? Why - for no other reason than they are ND! Fortunately we haven't had to deal with that lately.

[P-Rez25]

so we both argee that the Florida Gators are the biggest whiners in football? and all of those years ND finished 9-3 they do it playing a schedule that is 95% tougher than the rest of the NCAA. you see ND has a proud tradition and they dont like watering it down by playing Sun Belt teams 3 times a year like all the "mighty" SEC teams do. i admit you did get me as i went off those ND records off the top of my head, but can you also admit that ND schedule one of the toughest in the nation, year in a year out. during that little run theyve played real teams like Georgia Tech, Florida State, USC, Nebraska, Michigan, Michigan State, Boston College, UCLA, Purdue, Penn State, Tennessee, Pittsburgh, Washington, Oregon State, Maryland, NC State, hell you can even throw BYU, Navy, and Air Force in there for good measure. the only weak team they play yearly is Army. my point is an 8 win season at ND is just as good as a 10 win season anywhere because of the teams they play on a week to week basis.

[P-Rez25]

actually i shouldve showed you the teams they played by the years you questioned

2006
#19 Penn State
#13 Michigan
#2 USC
Michigan State
UCLA
Purdue
Navy
Air Force
Georgia Tech

2005
#25 Pittsburgh
#3 Michigan
#20 Purdue
#1 USC
Tennessee
BYU
Michigan State
Washington
Navy

2000
#4 Nebraska
#7 Tennessee
#13 Stanford
Michigan State
Texas A&M
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
USC
Boston College
Purdue
Navy


playing schedules like that, any team that gets 9 wins deserves a BCS berth. the Gators would **** themselves if they had to play schedules like that year in and year out because it would eliminate their 3 Sun Belt victories a year. and dont give me crap about the SEC because that conference has already been debunked a million times on this site...

[gatorfan]

Ok P-Rez - I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that "lobbying" may be construed as whining at times.

However - I must call you on the "schedule that is 95% tougher than anyone else" deal. I just don't see playing all three service academies, Stanford, North Carolina, etc. is tough. They do play USC every year and Michigan. You can throw in Penn State in certain years, though not of late. So they played 3 teams in the top 25 that year. Florida, as well as just about any other SEC team, usually plays 4 or 5 top 25 teams every year including 2006 when they played 4 top 25 teams. Here's a link to strength of schedule for 2006.

http://www.warrennolan.com/football/2006/sos

Guess who had the toughest SOS that year??? Hmmmmm? anyone? anyone? (ala Ben Stein) THE Florida Gators.

Guess which coveted place ND had that year? 39th!! 39th is FAR from the 95% figure you gave. The year before that, 2005, they had the 44th SOS.

Look - I'm not looking for an ongoing feud, and I agree with some of the things you mentioned about Fla and other teams. All I'm saying is that ND was the sports media darlings for years. They still were until the last year or so, when they couldn't live up to the hype. Actually, they still are with their NBC contract. What other team in the nation has it's own network TV contract?? I also believe that OSU and other teams, including FLA and USC, get some "darling" consideration due to sports hype on occasion.

What I would really like to see - for ND to prove their "greatness", is for them to join a conference like other schools. Heck, their basketball team is in the Big East, so why not their football team? (Psssst - it has to do with them getting to keep ALL their money instead of sharing it with a conf). Let them join the Big East, Big 10 - who cares. Just join a decent conference and then see how many BCS games they make it to. Right now, being an independent, they pretty much have a fast track to a BCS game if they have a winning season.

[P-Rez25]

so your admitting that Michigan deserved the rematch in 2006?

[P-Rez25]

Originally Posted by gatorfan

Ok P-Rez - I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that "lobbying" may be construed as whining at times.

However - I must call you on the "schedule that is 95% tougher than anyone else" deal. I just don't see playing all three service academies, Stanford, North Carolina, etc. is tough. They do play USC every year and Michigan. You can throw in Penn State in certain years, though not of late. So they played 3 teams in the top 25 that year. Florida, as well as just about any other SEC team, usually plays 4 or 5 top 25 teams every year including 2006 when they played 4 top 25 teams. Here's a link to strength of schedule for 2006.

http://www.warrennolan.com/football/2006/sos

Guess who had the toughest SOS that year??? Hmmmmm? anyone? anyone? (ala Ben Stein) THE Florida Gators.

Guess which coveted place ND had that year? 39th!! 39th is FAR from the 95% figure you gave. The year before that, 2005, they had the 44th SOS.

Look - I'm not looking for an ongoing feud, and I agree with some of the things you mentioned about Fla and other teams. All I'm saying is that ND was the sports media darlings for years. They still were until the last year or so, when they couldn't live up to the hype. Actually, they still are with their NBC contract. What other team in the nation has it's own network TV contract?? I also believe that OSU and other teams, including FLA and USC, get some "darling" consideration due to sports hype on occasion.

What I would really like to see - for ND to prove their "greatness", is for them to join a conference like other schools. Heck, their basketball team is in the Big East, so why not their football team? (Psssst - it has to do with them getting to keep ALL their money instead of sharing it with a conf). Let them join the Big East, Big 10 - who cares. Just join a decent conference and then see how many BCS games they make it to. Right now, being an independent, they pretty much have a fast track to a BCS game if they have a winning season.

all that i highlighted i agree with, but this is still going back to the original disagreement about how Florida fans are hypocritcal on how they got the Gators got into the 2006 NC game. botton line if UF got a rematch in 1996, Michigan deserved one in 2006. there was a thread here on this site about SOS, its really overrated. i look at the quality of the teams they faced not SOS.

[P-Rez25]

First, though, let me say that there’s a difference between saying that a particular conference’s schools play the toughest strength of schedule and saying that a particular conference is the toughest conference to play in. The former simply takes into account which opponents appear on the schedules of the conference members. The latter would be more focused on the strengths of the top teams in the conference, what the conference venues are like to play in, how bad the weakest teams in the conference are, how the teams in the conference fared against top non-conference opposition, etc.

Given that, I don’t have any problem stating that I believe the SEC was the best conference in college football this season while also believing that the PAC-10 had the best SOS of any college football conference in 2006.
The reason that I alluded to earlier as to why Sagarin may not be off base here is a decision the PAC-10 made when the regular season was expanded to twelve games. That conference decided to add a ninth conference game to every member school’s schedule. That’s at least one more conference game than is played in any other major conference right now (the Big East teams play only seven conference games).

With regard to how this plays in to Sagarin’s computations, I would think that one significant factor would be addition by subtraction - the PAC-10 filled the twelfth game void with another conference game, while some schools filled that game with a much lesser opponent.
In fact, looking over the PAC-10 schedules for 2006, I could only find three 1-AA schools listed as opponents for the entire conference. I’m not saying that PAC-10 schools didn’t schedule any weak sisters (of course they did), just that, because of the ninth conference game, they scheduled fewer of them. You might take note that Alabama played two winless non-conference teams this year, or that Purdue’s first two non-conference opponents went 3-20 this year (and Purdue lost to one of them!) or that none of Wisconsin’s non-conference opponents had a winning record to appreciate my argument.
And it’s not like Sagarin is alone in his ranking the PAC-10 first. Massey and Howell, for example, do as well.

I expect that any major conference that joined the PAC-10 in going to a nine conference game schedule - and I’d be thrilled to see Georgia drop the likes of Western Carolina for another SEC West opponent, as an example - would see their SOS rating climb.

http://blutarsky.wordpress.com/2006/...dule-thoughts/