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Lego · 05-09-2007, 07:35 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Bitter Truth @ May 9th ) [snapback]1996602[/snapback]</div>

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I agree. Except Griffin won't get anywhere near 100 tackles. They are attempting to play him at cornerback.
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oh really? well he's probably #3, then, but I'd still have nelson over landry as of right now.

**mlynch69** · 05-09-2007, 07:40 PM

Marshawn Lynch because he plays for the Bills

imported_The Bitter Truth · 05-09-2007, 07:41 PM

I agree with Peanut that you have to look at talent in a dynasty type situation. Situations change like underwear. For offense I think AP is the clear cut #1 and Lynch/Johnson are a pickem at #2 with Lynch being my choice.

After that on offense I think Meachem has an oportunity to be a Reggie Wayne type contributer inside of two years. That offense moves the ball and when an offense moves the ball well, there is always plenty of balls to go around.

Bowe could be intriguing in KC if you are a Croyle fan like I am. If not Davis has a shot to be the man in San Diego but I really don't like him s ever being a fantasy #1. Solid number two is his ceiling IMHO.

Brandon Jackson and Chris Henry could make some noise come the preseason.

For IDP I'm all over Willis as the top pick there. After him I like Beason and then Puz. You guys are dropping the ball on safety. Meriweather will eaily be the best fantasy safety in this class. Landry's system is **** for safety and Nelson is a scrub.

Offense:
1 - Peterson
2 - Lynch
3 - Johnson
4 - Meachem
5 - Russell
6 - Bowe
7 - Quinn
8 - Davis
9 - Jackson
10 - Jarrett

IDP:
1 - Willis
2 - Beason
3 - Posluszny
4 - Adams
5 - Meriweather
6 - Revis
7 - Carriker
8 - Anderson
9 - Timmons
10 - Nelson

imported_The Bitter Truth · 05-09-2007, 07:42 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lego @ May 9th ) [snapback]1996608[/snapback]</div>

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oh really? well he's probably #3, then, but I'd still have nelson over landry as of right now.
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That's what I heard on NFLN man. Maybe it will change. Nelson just strikes me as a "cover guy" that isn't going to spend enough time up in the box to be a fantasy stud.

imported_The Bitter Truth · 05-09-2007, 07:43 PM

And I'm not really talking about the Fans Dynasty League with this ... just general discussion.

**imported_PeanutTillman** · 05-09-2007, 07:55 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lego @ May 9th ) [snapback]1996586[/snapback]</div>

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Wrong wrong and wrong. I don't think you could possibly be more wrong.

For DL it is clearly Gaines Adams. Think simeon rice...and the conversation is over. Plus you're a moron for thinking sacks don't matter. They were 3x a tackle last year. The best guys, obviously, racked up tackles AND sacks. Now that they're 4x you'll see more passrushers slipping in. Either way, Adams in TB is >>>> Carriker in St.L.

LB is clearly Willis. Ray Lewis was putting up 150-160 tackles with Mike Nolan and expect Willis to do the same. His defense funnels guys to that position just like the bears funnel guys to the WLB. Yeah, Poz is playing in a good position, too, but many consider him out of position at MLB, and though the difference between their upsides may not be great, the "sure thing" is Willis. I don't think Beason is far behind them, either.

DB's cannot be Landry. Even Sean Taylor hasn't put up numbers in their system. And yeah, Landry will be playing closer to the line but not close enough to get significant numbers ahead of their three stellar LBs. From a fantasy perspective, I think either Griffin or Nelson will be better picks. Look at what Hope did in Tennessee...seriously, Hope. And Nelson should be the beneficiary of a lot of teams being forced to pass because they cannot run. Griffin has a shot at 100 tackles and a few INTs, Nelson will probably be looking at 85-90 tackles and a few INTs. Landry will be upside at just under that.
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All Carriker has to do to offeset Gaines Adams (who's a bust anyways) 1 sack is get three measley tackles. The scoring in this leauge is ****ed up, and you finally went out and did some things to change it but reverted mostly to the old ways when people were unhappy.

INT's actually manage to matter less than sacks, it's all about tackles in this league. Landry plays close to the line, Landry gets tackles. A guy could get 10 INTs on the season and not finish in the top 10 in DB scoring in this whacked out league.

Willis to me is personal preference. I have no need for him, and I'll tkae a different guy later on.

--edit-- I agree with TBT howver, Merriweather is a good DB pick.

Lego · 05-09-2007, 08:05 PM

I understand. I agree about Meachem. He's clearly in a good situation. But I disagree about the "dynasty perspective" for drafting. Obviously, yeah, you look for better talents. But Huff is a clearly better talent than Whitner, but who's the better fantasy player? Whitner. Why? Because of the team he's on, the defense he plays in, and how they use him.

You have to look at the coaching and the stability of the franchise. Personally I would not draft a Raiders player unless he was simply "that good" of a talent and clearly better than the next better alternative. Teams that have a history of poor coaching, coaching instability, or just plain suckiness usually don't produce as good of players as others. So when you have two guys in the same general range of talent, you take these things into consideration. Now, Calvin Johnson is clearly a better talent than any other WR in this class, and landed in a spectacular situation. He should be the #1 WR on anybody's board. But when you get to the next tier of guys, Ginn-Meachem-Bowe, you look at the other considerations. Meachem and Bowe are in better systems with better coaching. Both are in good offenses that will help their development as players. Ginn is in a clearly worse situation and it will retard his progression as a pro player, despite being on the same talent-level as the other two. So Ginn then falls into the next tier of guys with Anthony Gonzalez, Craig Davis, and Sidney Rice.

Lego · 05-09-2007, 08:06 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(PeanutTillman @ May 9th ) [snapback]1996628[/snapback]</div>

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All Carriker has to do to offeset Gaines Adams (who's a bust anyways) 1 sack is get three measley tackles. The scoring in this leauge is ****ed up, and you finally went out and did some things to change it but reverted mostly to the old ways when people were unhappy.

INT's actually manage to matter less than sacks, it's all about tackles in this league. Landry plays close to the line, Landry gets tackles. A guy could get 10 INTs on the season and not finish in the top 10 in DB scoring in this whacked out league.

Willis to me is personal preference. I have no need for him, and I'll tkae a different guy later on.

--edit-- I agree with TBT howver, Merriweather is a good DB pick.
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You're a complete moron as a player and your draft board is your own opinion. But I'm giving you good advice here for free and you're turning it down. Your choice.

**imported_PeanutTillman** · 05-09-2007, 08:13 PM

I had Shawne Merriman last season, I know how worthless sacks are in this league.

imported_The Bitter Truth · 05-09-2007, 08:36 PM

Just because you are used to half-assed leagues with half-assed scoring doesn't make this system any less effective. It's good and fair, you just don't know any better.

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