[RoyWilliams]

Originally Posted by Professor

if the players of old had the

supplements
technology
exposure
training regimens
etc

they would definitely be right up there with players of today no doubt and if you compare the hearts of players of a bygone era, then they would smash today's players by a ton

You cant just say that lol.

[Professor]

i would love to see concrete charlie take on some of todays players

[Serrated Shadow]

who wouldn't?

[NYGfreak]

Then again, Bednarik on HGH and steroids, would be a little frightening. Might have to lock up the women and children...and Frank Gifford.

[P-Rez25]

Originally Posted by Serrated Shadow

If everyone can agree to account for physical differences in judging, then we should do so now so this doesn't become the main debate when that rolls around. NYG Freak, I want you in this competition, the more old school we have then definitely the better.

i like NYG Freak, i will disregard the size issue if everyone else does

Originally Posted by RoyWilliams

Its just hard to say how old players would have done today. Its easy to say oh they would have been good if given this. But atleast with modern players you could say they would have been gods.

I still dont like people drafting 215 pound lineman for alltime teams. I cant get the image of Julius Peppers taking on one of them, when comparing teams.

even though i said i would disregard the size issue its still hard to look past exactly what you said because i feel the same way

[The-Hammer]

Originally Posted by Serrated Shadow

If everyone can agree to account for physical differences in judging, then we should do so now so this doesn't become the main debate when that rolls around. NYG Freak, I want you in this competition, the more old school we have then definitely the better.

Listen like I said, I don't care if weight and size isn't taken into account, just say it before hand, because I got screwed over last year.

Originally Posted by RoyWilliams

Its just hard to say how old players would have done today. Its easy to say oh they would have been good if given this. But atleast with modern players you could say they would have been gods.

I still dont like people drafting 215 pound lineman for alltime teams. I cant get the image of Julius Peppers taking on one of them, when comparing teams.

Same here, and if you remember thats what happened to me last year.

[Professor]

so how do you judge talent throwing size out of the window, that makes a some matchups more difficult to rate, imo

[The-Hammer]

Originally Posted by Professor

so how do you judge talent throwing size out of the window, that makes a some matchups more difficult to rate, imo

Yes it is. But it isn't impossible. Size does help though.

[Serrated Shadow]

what about proportionally? If someone drafts a dominate DE from the 60's and explains that this person was the absolute fastest to the QB of that era, then we can equate that to a DE of similar skill in today's age. I know it's not concrete or necessarily the best, but does that make sense at least?

[Professor]

i think the only way to do it would be to have two separte drafts - one old and one new and then have a ranking of each 1-whatever and using those seedings have a tournament to be voted on and the winner of each side (old & new) face each other in the ultimate showdown