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Packers: McCarthy expects Favre to buy into his approach
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GREEN BAY - Brett Favre is expected to be back at work today - and for at least a handful of other practices during the next 21 days, too - and the Green Bay Packers star quarterback's offseason to-do list remains a lengthy one.

After taking four months to decide whether or not he wanted to come back for another year, Favre has to get his arm back into throwing shape, improve his fitness level and continue to learn new coach Mike McCarthy's strain of the West Coast offense.

But one thing Favre might need to do during the Packers' organized team activity workouts - which begin today with the first of 14 practices, the remainder of which are sprinkled throughout June - is adjust his attitude.

On May 6 - Favre's first news conference since the 2005 season finale on New Year's Day and the last time he addressed reporters - Favre talked about a host of topics during the 30-minute Q&A session.

But of all the things Favre spoke about that day, his remarks about how he played last season and his statement he has no intention of changing his risk-taking ways - despite coming off his worst season as a pro (a career-high and NFL-worst 29 interceptions and a career-low 70.9 passer rating) - raised some eyebrows.

"I'm sure throwing 20 touchdowns and 29 interceptions, all the experts out there have their opinions and theories. But to be honest with you, I don't think I played any differently in my approach last year than any other year," Favre said that day.

"Being 4-12 was obviously new to me. As the season progressed, we were playing from behind, and it was different. There was a different guy in the huddle all the time. Maybe I should have made some different decisions at times, but we had to try to win the ballgame with whoever was in there. . . . When you're down and you're in that situation week-in and week-out, you have to take chances.

"But I'm not going to sit there and throw 3-yard checkdowns and let the clock run down. I'm going to take chances, and there are going to be people who agree with that and people who don't agree with that. And I really don't care.

"I've played for 15 years a certain way: aggressively. I don't regret the way I play or the way I approach it, and I don't think I should change.

"My will to win is probably why I'm still standing here. My desire and commitment is why I'm here. Not footwork. Not mechanics. Not arm strength or decision making. It's my desire to win. I want to win more than anyone else, and am willing to do whatever it takes. For me to change now, it would be time for me to leave."

Comments like those, combined with suspicions Favre tuned out the previous coaching staff, lead to one question: Will Favre be open to what McCarthy, offensive coordinator Jeff Jagodzinski and quarterbacks coach Tom Clements have to say this season?

Reminded on Tuesday of Favre's comments, McCarthy said he took Favre's remarks as being about his philosophy of how to play the game, not as defiance toward being told what to do.

"I wasn't at the (news conference), so without having been sitting there, my response is that he's always played the game the same way. He's always pushed the envelope on the side of being aggressive. And that's how I took the quotes when I saw them," McCarthy said.

"To sit there and say (that Favre) said, 'I threw 29 interceptions and I don't care, I'm not going to change,' I don't think that was his intent at all. He and I view offensive football the same way: To push the envelope and also have the discipline to know when to pull back.

"There is a school of thought to play not to lose and play the high percentage all the time. Some people believe in that. I just took (Favre's comments) as a philosophical view on his style of play at the quarterback position. But I wasn't at the interview."

During ESPN's draft coverage, ex-NFL quarterback Ron Jaworski, a well-respected analyst, said he believed either Favre wasn't receiving any coaching last season or was ignoring what coach Mike Sherman, offensive coordinator Tom Rossley and quarterbacks coach Darrell Bevell were telling him.

All three of those coaches are gone now, and out of respect for them, McCarthy said Tuesday he wasn't going to discuss what went on last season. But McCarthy did make one promise.

"I have access to all the information what went on here last year. I think I have a very good understanding of how (Favre) played and why he played the way he did," McCarthy said. "I'll tell you this: He's going to be coached to play a certain way. I believe in being aggressive, but he will be coached to play within the structure of the offense. I can assure you of that."

McCarthy said "all indications are" Favre will be at this morning's practice on Clarke Hinkle Field but that Favre's participation in the rest of the OTA practices will depend on how the installations of the offense go and how Favre comes along in his conditioning. Favre's next scheduled news conference is tentatively set for June 8.

"We'll be smart. We'll talk more at length (as the OTAs progress) about his involvement, his pitch count and stuff like that," McCarthy said. "We're going to be smart with him."•

Extra points Cornerback Al Harris, who skipped the last minicamp to demonstrate his unhappiness with his contract, said Tuesday night he will not attend the OTAs. ... McCarthy said rookie wide receiver/kick returner Cory Rodgers, who was arrested last week on weapons charges after a bar fight in Fort Worth, Texas, will attend the OTAs. "I had a long visit with him (Tuesday)," McCarthy said. Rodgers, a fourth-round pick from TCU, faces misdemeanor charges of unlawfully carrying a firearm and unlawfully discharging a firearm.
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Old 06-01-2006, 12:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
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You can't teach an old dog new tricks, especially a stubborn selfish old dog. If McCarthy thinks that Farve is going to change his thinking, he is dreaming. Farve may not do as poorly as last season, but even a 25 TD, 25 int. year is not good, and this is about the best it will get for the Punchless Packers.
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If mccarthy dosent get along with farve wither its his fault or farves hes out.
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why do you think Favre will throw 25 picks this year BigDaddy? also why is he a selfish pig? Is it because he came back to play after having the 1st bad season of his career? im just wondering?
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why do you think Favre will throw 25 picks this year BigDaddy? also why is he a selfish pig? Is it because he came back to play after having the 1st bad season of his career? im just wondering?
He is selfish and self centered because he obviously puts himself ahead of what is best for the team. He drags the proceedings out every off season, to try and build drama. He no longer is a good QB. He has to have things done his way. He is a disruptive influence on the team. The Packers are in rebuilding mode. Farve has absolutely no chance of going to a superbowl. The longer Farve stays, the longer the rebuilding takes place. He thinks he is the same QB that he was 10 years ago, and he is not even close. I do not have him in my top 20 QB's in the league, and last year's stats prove that.
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Old 06-02-2006, 02:51 PM   #6 (permalink)
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He is selfish and self centered because he obviously puts himself ahead of what is best for the team. He drags the proceedings out every off season, to try and build drama.
I agree with this part. Favre has always craved the spotlight. He's never done anything too bad to the team though. Not like other NFL "look-at-mes" (TO, Keyshawn, CJ, Irvin, Moss)

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He no longer is a good QB. He thinks he is the same QB that he was 10 years ago, and he is not even close. I do not have him in my top 20 QB's in the league, and last year's stats prove that.
I disagree with that. Of course he's not 22 anymore. However, if you don't see him as one of the top 20, if not top 10, there's something seriously wrong with your reasoning. Surely, as a fan of a division rival, you saw what he was up against last season. (His only bad season). Injuries to everyone that could catch except Driver. Loss of 5 RBs. Terrible O-Line. That leaves two DEs, one good corner, one decent WR, and Favre as the ONLY talent on the team. The defense stepped up very well. Favre did everything he could, from lead blocking to rushing for the occasional 1st. He also took some gambles trying to force the ball into coverage. A few times it worked, and most of the time it didn't. I don't blame Favre for the losing season though. He did everything he could to get the team back on track. He's just only one man.
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Let's see. Top 10? Well I can rattle off 10 QB better than Farve. How about Manning, Brady, Big Ben, Palmer, Mc Nabb, Hassleback, Brees, Eli, Culpepper and Vick for starters. You could add Leftwich, McNair when healthy, and a few others. Perhaps 20 is a bit much, but there is no way he is top 10 material. Last year he was about the worst around.
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You can't teach an old dog new tricks, especially a stubborn selfish old dog. If McCarthy thinks that Farve is going to change his thinking, he is dreaming.
Exactly, this is Farves team. He was very close to Sherman and he is not going to let a new coach tell him what to do. The Packers has always been Farve's team, and he is not going to take that from a new coach.
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Exactly, this is Farves team. He was very close to Sherman and he is not going to let a new coach tell him what to do. The Packers has always been Farve's team, and he is not going to take that from a new coach.
Excellent point. Farve is too self-centered to do what is good for the team. He thinks he owns this team, and has no quams about taking it to the bottom of the division just because he is old and has lost his touch, as well as his judgement. Farve thinks he is bigger than the team. The teams will suffer from his selfishness.
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Let's see. Top 10? Well I can rattle off 10 QB better than Farve. How about Manning, Brady, Big Ben, Palmer, Mc Nabb, Hassleback, Brees, Eli, Culpepper and Vick for starters. You could add Leftwich, McNair when healthy, and a few others. Perhaps 20 is a bit much, but there is no way he is top 10 material. Last year he was about the worst around.
Again, your only arguments against Favre pertain solely to last year. A year he had NO ONE. Let's go back 2-3 years, back to when he actually had a team, and stack him against the 10 you mentioned. Peyton, Brady, McNabb are the only ones there that did better than Favre. That should for all rights make Favre a top 5, but i'll give you 10 just on account of him getting old. Also, I can't believe anyone who claims to know football would put Vick as a top 10 QB. Give me a break...
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