chris_36824

No... I am not done... I want to hear what Ellis has to say about my other post. I want to know what the fu*k Mario Williams has done so far to prove right now that he is was a better choice than Reggie Bush? Come on proffessor. Spit it out.

chris_36824

Ellis, I forgot that Felding is in charge of this part of the site and he doenst like personal flaming. Could you please offer a retort to my cleverly woven question? Please? Perty please? With sugar on top?

Jayhawk_Colin

He hasn't done anything, but that is besides the point. The point that we are trying to make is that Reggie, while a hell of player, was not the right fit for Houston. For example, Dante Hall is the receiver version of Bush. Yes, Hall can return punts and kicks like none other, and when he gets a reception in the open field there is a good chance he will make a big play. But are you going to build your franchise around Dante Hall because he is electrifying? I hope not. Bush, like Hall needs a supporting cast around him to be a success, the Texans did not have, and could not provide that for Bush, so instead of calling him the second coming of "Sweetness" we would be calling him the second coming of Ryan Leaf.

Another thing to point out, QBs and RBs really need a supporting cast to be good. Look at Jake Plummer for example. When he was in Arizona he was one of the worst QBs in the NFL, but move him to Denver were he has some weapons around him and he was a playoff QB.

And finally, to answer Feildings question:

The Texans should drop a bomb on the entire thing and hope that something that resembles a football team is the aftermath.

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George: The jerk store just called, they're running out of you.
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chris_36824

Your comparing Dante Hall to Reggie Bush? Not similiar at all. Reggie Bush is a way better player than Dante Hall. Simple as that.

You cannot come out and say for sure that Reggie Bush would perform worse in Houston than he is in New Orleans so I am not buying into that arguement. For all we know he could of been the major focus of that offense and had more catches and rushing yards than he did in New Orleans. We will never know so thus that argument is pretty much worthless.

All I want to know is what Mario Williams has done so far to prove that he was a better choice than Reggie Bush? You guys can not seem to answer that question. I asked it to Ellis but he hurried and signed off. I would like to here what he has to say though.

Jayhawk_Colin

They are similar in their style of play though and that was the point I was getting at.

While we can offer no evidence that Williams is a better player than Bush, we can offer very logical reasons as to why we think Bush would not have been as impressive in Houston as he was in New Orleans. The fact is that the NFL is not a one man show (as we have seen with Vick and the Falcons), if Bush had gone to Houston he would have had to been the man that the offense ran through and quite frankly we can prove that he couldn't of had that load. There are two reasons to believe that he wouldn't be very good as "the man" in Houston.

1. Scat players cannot be the only option on offense. We have seen this with Marshall Faulk, in Indy, when he had no other weapons around, him was not a spectacular player, put him into that St. Louis offense he tore it up.

Same thing with Priest Holmes, not overly impressive in Baltimore, give KC's O-Line (which at Priest peak was arguably the best in the league), Trent Green and Tony G, and he became a great back.

2. From what we have seen of Bush he cannot do it alone, he had Leinart, a bunch of talented receivers and a good supporting back in White.

In New Orleans, Reggie has Brees, a few good wide outs and a solid supporting back in McAlister.

If Reggie was a Texan he would of had... Carr (a career 75.5 QB rating), Andre Johnson (an unproven talent) and Dominik Davis (out all year) surrounding him.

in closing:

I am not saying that Williams is a better player, in-fact I think he is the inferior player, he was just a better for the Texans needs.
Situation does play a big factor in the NFL and Bush landed in a great situation, his situation would not have been so great in Houston.

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George is scoffing shrimp at a meeting.

Reilly: The ocean just called, they are running out of shrimp.
George: The jerk store just called, they're running out of you.
Reilly: That shouldn't be a problem since you are there all time best seller.
George: I slept with your wife!

chris_36824

All your telling me is what you think would of happened if he went to Houston. For all we know it could of been the complete opposite and he could of tore it up in Houston. It is all here say. What I am proving is that right now Reggie Bush was a better choice than Mario Williams. Simple as that.

Professor

Reggie Bush has always had talent around him that has enabled him to succeed, when duece wasn't there in the beginning as much, bush did nothing, how long did it take him to score a TD. On houston, with a terrible oline, a terrible QB and almost no talent anywhere, he would have been keyed on completely and destroyed by defenses and most likely would have finished the season on the IR.

so you remember how in another thread we agreed that Amobi Okoye is most pro ready for the style of defense that houston has around him, you agreed, well in the NFL, team style and systems mean A WHOLE LOT, In New Orleans, they have weapons at RB, WR, great QB, oline. this enables Bush to get some space and make his moves, but on a team where he would be the prime focus, it would been an obvious bad situation.

Bush is better than Williams as a player in a ranking of players in the NFL, no question, but Mario Williams had a more positive impact on that defense and team as a whole, than bush would have had on the offense for the obvious and redundantly explained reasons that I and many others have pointed out to you

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Jayhawk_Colin

It is not here say, we can look back on what players in the past have done and what this player has done and conclude that he would most likely not succeed in a certain situation.

The fact is that all of us agree with you that Bush in a ranking of NFL players would be ranked higher than Mario Williams, that does not mean he was the right pick for the Texans though.

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From Seinfeld:

George is scoffing shrimp at a meeting.

Reilly: The ocean just called, they are running out of shrimp.
George: The jerk store just called, they're running out of you.
Reilly: That shouldn't be a problem since you are there all time best seller.
George: I slept with your wife!

gruntbygod

Throw me something tangible Chris, what has bush done in the NFL that makes him an elite player? Alot of players can catch short passes and return kicks. Why is Bush and elite player?

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chris_36824

585 rushing yards- 6 rushing touchdowns

88 receptions- 2 receving touchdowns

3+ 20 yard punt returns- 1 return touchdown

I would much... MUCH... rather have those numbers from my rookie than what Mario Williams had last year. Not only that but Reggie Bush is definitly gameplaned against WAY more than Mario Williams. He is a bigger factor on the field than Mario Williams now and will be for the rest of his career. I will guarentee that.