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12-31-2005, 02:33 AM
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I'll begin this thread by stating the obvious: the Texans suck. Most of us know that, but i'll reiterate it anyway. Watching David Carr play though, you have to know he's not the reason for them sucking at all.
In a typical down, they teach QBs that they have 7 seconds to pass, handoff or run the ball. 7 seconds is of course the average. Brady and Roethlisberger seem to have close to 12, and Manning and Hasselbeck (meaning Matt and Peyton, not their respective little brothers in New York) have at least ten. So why 7? in a Houston game this year, you see the reason 7 is the average. On the other end of the spectrum, poor Carr has only about 3 seconds to make his plays. 3 seconds. Can anyone think that fast? It's amazing. In those three seconds, he gets sacked a lot. Who wouldn't? When he doesn't get sacked though, he makes pretty decent passes, runs short 1st downs as often as anyone, or gives to the decent RB, and then goes to run block for himself, knowing the offensive line sucks. Here's a guy that gets beat down every game he plays, it's amazing alone he hasn't got injured. Then he also puts himself directly in the way of further harm by running and blocking. To me, that makes him one of the ten best (and easily the most underrated) QBs in the NFL.
Imagine, now that he's used to three seconds, what he could do with 7. He could be a Superbowl caliber QB very easily if he were on a team worthy of his talents.
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12-31-2005, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by stormdriver
I'll begin this thread by stating the obvious: the Texans suck. Most of us know that, but i'll reiterate it anyway. Watching David Carr play though, you have to know he's not the reason for them sucking at all.
In a typical down, they teach QBs that they have 7 seconds to pass, handoff or run the ball. 7 seconds is of course the average. Brady and Roethlisberger seem to have close to 12, and Manning and Hasselbeck (meaning Matt and Peyton, not their respective little brothers in New York) have at least ten. So why 7? in a Houston game this year, you see the reason 7 is the average. On the other end of the spectrum, poor Carr has only about 3 seconds to make his plays. 3 seconds. Can anyone think that fast? It's amazing. In those three seconds, he gets sacked a lot. Who wouldn't? When he doesn't get sacked though, he makes pretty decent passes, runs short 1st downs as often as anyone, or gives to the decent RB, and then goes to run block for himself, knowing the offensive line sucks. Here's a guy that gets beat down every game he plays, it's amazing alone he hasn't got injured. Then he also puts himself directly in the way of further harm by running and blocking. To me, that makes him one of the ten best (and easily the most underrated) QBs in the NFL.
Imagine, now that he's used to three seconds, what he could do with 7. He could be a Superbowl caliber QB very easily if he were on a team worthy of his talents.
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First off, you're right, Carr ain't a bad QB. Anytime I hear the ownership think they can turn the whole franchise around by drafting a hot new rookie QB, I cringe. That tells me they don't know a damn thing about football. Carr is smart, and athletically talented. He's just in a poor offensive scheme, stuck behind a s****Y offensive line.
7 seconds, though is a luxuary that most QB's in the Pros don't have. An NFL QB should really be gettin rid of the ball around the 5 second mark. But, you're right again when you say that Carr gets about 3 seconds. The solution for that would be to go to a more WCO style of attack with hot routes, flat attacks and quick slants. By doin that, you force the linebackers into coverage. If your line still has trouble pass blockin (even though 5 on 4 should win the battle up front) you go to Tights. Add a TE or even 2. When all else fails, out man your opponent and throw the quick pass. But the Texans are run by idiots, so you get what you get. That damn stubborn refusal to adjust their offense in light of the fact THAT IT AIN'T WORKIN will probably get all their butts fired. By God, it should, anyway.
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01-02-2006, 12:11 PM
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I don't think we have even saw anything this year or last, that we can make a judgement on Carr's ability. You need to have somewhat of an offensive line, or you are just going to be running for your life, like Carr always is. To be honest, I am surprised he hasn't been seriously hurt yet. Even a bad high school team can give 5 seconds of protection to a QB. 3 seconds of protection is basically touching the defensive lineman and then letting him come straight at the QB. If the Texans even got their bodies in front of the defense, then you should be able to get at least 4-5 seconds, which Carr could definitely use.
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01-05-2006, 03:16 PM
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I don't think we have even saw anything this year or last, that we can make a judgement on Carr's ability. You need to have somewhat of an offensive line, or you are just going to be running for your life, like Carr always is. To be honest, I am surprised he hasn't been seriously hurt yet. Even a bad high school team can give 5 seconds of protection to a QB. 3 seconds of protection is basically touching the defensive lineman and then letting him come straight at the QB. If the Texans even got their bodies in front of the defense, then you should be able to get at least 4-5 seconds, which Carr could definitely use.
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Carr will likely be traded for a couple of draft picks as the Texans have their eye on Vince Young...
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01-05-2006, 05:26 PM
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Carr will likely be traded for a couple of draft picks as the Texans have their eye on Vince Young...
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From what I have been hearing, they are almost definitely going to take Reggie Bush with the first pick...
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01-05-2006, 06:04 PM
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Carr will likely be traded for a couple of draft picks as the Texans have their eye on Vince Young...
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That's great. Then Carr can actually use his talents. I see a ring in his future... We could also really use him in Green Bay if Favre doesn't return. Rodgers isn't anywhere near ready to take over yet.
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From what I have been hearing, they are almost definitely going to take Reggie Bush with the first pick...
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Let them. They deserve what they get. I wasn't at all surprised when they fired Capers, but why keep the lousy GM? It's obvious he has no skill for recognizing talent or identifying weaknesses. Most of us on this forum could do a better job. Let them take Bush and waste his talents too. 'An O-line? We don't need an O-line, we just need more star players!' Even if they do draft Bush, they'll be lucky to sign him. He knows better too. Maybe whoever they get as coach will talk some sense into them. Otherwise they won't be selling enough tickets to even pay for their fancy stadium.
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01-06-2006, 10:04 AM
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If the Texans GM came out and said they did not need more OL but more star players dont take him at face value. The start of the offseason all the teams GMs and coaches are trying to hide what they are really doing and mislead the others. This could just be a way to build up the worth of the top pick to make other teams bid higher if they think that the Texans will take the player they want. This happens all the time.
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01-07-2006, 02:44 AM
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Obviously if you guys can figure all of this out, and you guys don't work for football teams (at least I don't think you do) then the Texans front office can figure it out too. They're noty gonna just draft a bunch of impact rookie players and not address the line issues. Even if we do take Bush, they'll still fix the line. It's not like these guys don't know how to play football. This was a terrible year for us and a lot of other teams. But last yera was a bad year for the bears, bengals, cowboys, redskins, buccs and giants, look at them now.
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01-09-2006, 11:10 AM
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With a revamped line, mobile QB, and new DC, the Texans are right back in the thick of it. They have talent. They just ain't gotta clue how to utilize it.
Oh, and I thought Dan Reeves was the new GM. What did I miss?
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01-13-2006, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck It
Oh, and I thought Dan Reeves was the new GM. What did I miss?
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No, Casserly is still the GM. Reeves has been brought on as a "consultant". To me, that says they concede Casserly is a moron and doesn't know how to run a team, but for whatever reason they're not interested in firing him. So in the meantime they'll at least bring in someone who knows what he's doing, and then Casserly can redeem himself in the eyes of the fans by taking credit for Reeves' work. It's a special kind of stupid, one that defies any usual description. At least they announced yesteday that they're keeping Carr after all. That shows Reeves is at least having a positive impact.
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