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Old 05-16-2007, 10:09 PM   #21 (permalink)
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actually I think Mario is going to be a beast. People still don't get that outside of the QB the two lines are the most important positions on the field.
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Old 05-16-2007, 10:24 PM   #22 (permalink)
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i think the drafting of d line is so that kubiak doesnt make the same mistake as shanny and not get a pass rush. Kubiak was there when our line was horrid and when it killed us against the colts and by bringing in willaims and okoye he is trying to solve that problem before it starts in houston
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It's true that nobody really considered Vince Young worthy of the 1st pick at the time, and I would also personally take Williams over Bush, because what the Texans need is an everydown back, and I don't think that's Reggie Bush. Was it a mistake not to take Vince Young? Maybe, but you can't say he was ever in that mix really. It was between Bush and Williams.

I still think Williams will be good, but as a DE, he'll have to be the next Reggie White for anyone to say he wasn't a bust, and that's not going to happen.
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Old 05-17-2007, 12:25 AM   #24 (permalink)
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It's true that nobody really considered Vince Young worthy of the 1st pick at the time, and I would also personally take Williams over Bush, because what the Texans need is an everydown back, and I don't think that's Reggie Bush. Was it a mistake not to take Vince Young? Maybe, but you can't say he was ever in that mix really. It was between Bush and Williams.

I still think Williams will be good, but as a DE, he'll have to be the next Reggie White for anyone to say he wasn't a bust, and that's not going to happen.
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I'm not sure that Reggie Bush can't be a #1 back in this league. He's eventually going to gain some muscle weight ad he'll be around 5-10 215 and be fine.
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Old 05-17-2007, 06:28 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Mario Williams will have a Bryant Young type of career.
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Old 05-17-2007, 07:15 AM   #26 (permalink)
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Grid @ May 16th ) [snapback]2003051[/snapback]</div>
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Not even close.

DT was a big need for us, and Okoye was considered to be a good value pick at #10. Our motive was to address a weakness on the team, not try and cover up a weakness in Mario.
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Old 05-17-2007, 07:20 AM   #27 (permalink)
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Catalyst @ May 16th ) [snapback]2003088[/snapback]</div>
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It's true that nobody really considered Vince Young worthy of the 1st pick at the time, and I would also personally take Williams over Bush, because what the Texans need is an everydown back, and I don't think that's Reggie Bush. Was it a mistake not to take Vince Young? Maybe, but you can't say he was ever in that mix really. It was between Bush and Williams.

I still think Williams will be good, but as a DE, he'll have to be the next Reggie White for anyone to say he wasn't a bust, and that's not going to happen.
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not true. many people thought young was deserving of the #1 pick, but since the texans already had carr, they all expected them to take bush. if there had been a team in need of a QB, VY would have been the one everybody would have talked about. and furthermore, he WAS in the mix of what people wanted, there were plenty of rumors that they'd take the hometown hero, even if they were unfounded, but it would have been a legitimate pick. typically when a new HC joins a struggling franchise he pins his hopes on a brand-new franchise QB with his first pick.

and especially now, when a year later they dump carr anyway, it looks like it was retarded to pass on him. that's the nature of first overall picks. you can literally take ANYONE, and with that power, people will continue to analyze your selection and compare it to everyone in the draft for the rest of their careers.
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Old 05-17-2007, 08:11 AM   #28 (permalink)
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waaaaaaaaaaaaay too early to say 'hahalol mario williams is a bust'. most people say you need to give a draft ~3 years to be able to grade it somewhat accurately.
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yeah, but we can already say that they made the wrong pick, whether or not he busts
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Old 05-17-2007, 09:03 AM   #30 (permalink)
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actually I think Mario is going to be a beast. People still don't get that outside of the QB the two lines are the most important positions on the field.
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