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Coltfan13 · 07-16-2007, 08:23 AM

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wasn't he signed through this year anyway? so the repeat woulda been there anyway. and then by the time you had to be worried about re-signing him, you'd be looking at replacing him in next year's draft instead of overpaying him. passrushing DEs are a dime a dozen. it was a stupid move.
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Nope, he was offered the franchise tender, he didn't sign it. So no, repeat not there without him, not easy to replace 11 sacks, 5 force fumbles, 40 QB pressures per season. If they were a dime a dozen, every team would have one and have them at the league minimum. The move was not stupid, your comments on the other hand are.

And for your reading pleasure as well as your education:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa_2

And for the rest of you who insist Freeney is bad versus the run because you see him "overrun plays and out of position" you need to realize what his assignment is in the defense the Colts play, and what is expected of him. The DE's in our system are not expected to be in and stopping running plays. They are expected to occupy their man while the LB's and DB's fill lanes and make the stops. The Colt's style is succeptable to the draw, because both Freeney and Mathis have one job on pass plays....get upfield and meet at the QB. This creates the illusion that these guys are not capable of playing the run, when in reality they aren't expected to.

Horsepower52 · 07-16-2007, 08:23 AM

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wasn't he signed through this year anyway? so the repeat woulda been there anyway. and then by the time you had to be worried about re-signing him, you'd be looking at replacing him in next year's draft instead of overpaying him. passrushing DEs are a dime a dozen. it was a stupid move.
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The downfall is if we franchised him twice, we'd be paying nearly what we guaranteed him anyways because of how much the franchise tag price is moving up.

And, I think you're spoiled because Baltimore's got a seemingly never-ending supply of pass rushers who can get pressure on the QB- so if you lose one, big deal- the guy you replace them with is usually just as good. I'm not so sure many other teams have that (I know we don't), which is why Freeney's agent knew he had us by the short hairs.

imported_Montreal514 · 07-16-2007, 09:25 AM

Freeney not Top 20 material???? Start your list, TBT

**lostfan** · 07-16-2007, 09:28 AM

He's a lot better than top 20, but he's not top 5 IMO.

Duds47 · 07-16-2007, 03:36 PM

Why do people insist on evaluating contracts by dollar amount instead of by percentage of that years cap space.

When Tom Brady signs his deal when the cap is 72 million and Dwight Freeney when the cap is over 100 MM, guess what numbnuts.....Dwiight's gonna get more real dollars. the barometer should be what percentage of the cap did he get at the time he signed.

I can't figure out why I STILL see this and STILL see people chocked when guys like Freeney break the record... as long as the cap keeps going up every year the next guy to sign will ALWAYS break the record.

Lego · 07-16-2007, 07:30 PM

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Nope, he was offered the franchise tender, he didn't sign it. So no, repeat not there without him, not easy to replace 11 sacks, 5 force fumbles, 40 QB pressures per season. If they were a dime a dozen, every team would have one and have them at the league minimum. The move was not stupid, your comments on the other hand are.

And for your reading pleasure as well as your education:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa_2

And for the rest of you who insist Freeney is bad versus the run because you see him "overrun plays and out of position" you need to realize what his assignment is in the defense the Colts play, and what is expected of him. The DE's in our system are not expected to be in and stopping running plays. They are expected to occupy their man while the LB's and DB's fill lanes and make the stops. The Colt's style is succeptable to the draw, because both Freeney and Mathis have one job on pass plays....get upfield and meet at the QB. This creates the illusion that these guys are not capable of playing the run, when in reality they aren't expected to.
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the guy wasn't going to sit out a year rather than play and get paid. if you honestly believe that you're retarded. he would have played.

**lostfan** · 07-16-2007, 07:35 PM

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Why do people insist on evaluating contracts by dollar amount instead of by percentage of that years cap space.

When Tom Brady signs his deal when the cap is 72 million and Dwight Freeney when the cap is over 100 MM, guess what numbnuts.....Dwiight's gonna get more real dollars. the barometer should be what percentage of the cap did he get at the time he signed.

I can't figure out why I STILL see this and STILL see people chocked when guys like Freeney break the record... as long as the cap keeps going up every year the next guy to sign will ALWAYS break the record.
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My problem is that instead of making even a half-assed attempt to control salaries, they just keep raising the salary cap.

So what the ****'s the point of having one then? If you give a bad deal to somebody and you get shafted because you gave an overrated player too much money then YOU and only you should be responsible for cleaning up your own mess.

Lego · 07-16-2007, 07:49 PM

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My problem is that instead of making even a half-assed attempt to control salaries, they just keep raising the salary cap.

So what the ****'s the point of having one then? If you give a bad deal to somebody and you get shafted because you gave an overrated player too much money then YOU and only you should be responsible for cleaning up your own mess.
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well, in all fairness, the salary cap in football does keep the salaries relatively in check compared to other pro sports

Bulluck53 · 07-16-2007, 07:52 PM

For me its not that it was a stupid move cap-wise but that its just so much money. It amazing that a defensive end (even if he were the best of all time) is making that kind of money. I want to see what Peyton/Brady/Vick would sign for in this market.