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10-18-2006, 07:30 PM
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No other Qb in the league would have a starting job with these stats. But Mick Vick. Why? When you play Peyton its 11 on 10. There is never a guy spying Peyton. This changes with Vick. You always atleast have to have 1 guy spying him sometimes 2. No one questions Vicks ability to make plays.
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So, would you rather have Vick as your QB over Peyton. Cause last time I checked their is more to being a great QB then running the ball.
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10-18-2006, 08:00 PM
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Maybe he is overatted, not known for his passing game. Who says he is a good passer anyways. He wins games. Stats/Fantasy nerds judge this guy based on stats. Well you cant judge him based on stats because its not accurate. He makes the Falcons a good team. He gets MVP consideration.
No other Qb in the league would have a starting job with these stats. But Mick Vick. Why? When you play Peyton its 11 on 10. There is never a guy spying Peyton. This changes with Vick. You always atleast have to have 1 guy spying him sometimes 2. No one questions Vicks ability to make plays.
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Great...yes you have to spy him, but you can afford to because he cant throw good enough so it evens out.
He will get MVP "consideration" every year, he will make the probowl every year, he will sell alot of seats in the georgia dome and sell alot of jerseys, but i still say he sucks at dropping back and passing. But saying that it is easier to play peyton is ridiculous, peytons arm will tear a team apart well before vicks legs would.
Hes way overrated...deep down do you really think Vick deserves to be the highest paid player in the NFL? because i really dont. He wins games...sure, but not when it counts, his playoff record is terrible...not because he chokes, but because when you need vick to convert a 3rd and long and he cant run for it...HE CANT DO IT. JMO, dont jump all over me, because this is how i see it and im not alone.
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10-18-2006, 08:22 PM
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Great...yes you have to spy him, but you can afford to because he cant throw good enough so it evens out.
He will get MVP "consideration" every year, he will make the probowl every year, he will sell alot of seats in the georgia dome and sell alot of jerseys, but i still say he sucks at dropping back and passing. But saying that it is easier to play peyton is ridiculous, peytons arm will tear a team apart well before vicks legs would.
Hes way overrated...deep down do you really think Vick deserves to be the highest paid player in the NFL? because i really dont. He wins games...sure, but not when it counts, his playoff record is terrible...not because he chokes, but because when you need vick to convert a 3rd and long and he cant run for it...HE CANT DO IT. JMO, dont jump all over me, because this is how i see it and im not alone.
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What a wonderful post. I couldn't have said it any better myself. And K, you most defenitly are not alone on this topic.
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10-18-2006, 08:27 PM
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But saying that it is easier to play peyton is ridiculous, peytons arm will tear a team apart well before vicks legs would.
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So, would you rather have Vick as your QB over Peyton. Cause last time I checked their is more to being a great QB then running the ball.
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I am in no way saying I would rather have Vick over Peyton nor am I saying its easier to defend agaisnt Peyton. I am strictly using him as an example as a QB that you dont have to spy against.
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10-18-2006, 08:36 PM
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I am in no way saying I would rather have Vick over Peyton nor am I saying its easier to defend agaisnt Peyton. I am strictly using him as an example as a QB that you dont have to spy against.
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Ok, 1 or 2 people to spy vick. But "10-11" against peyton...hmmm, maybe peytons accuaracy and WRs makes it more like "14-11"
Do you understand that you 10 on 11 analogy makes no sense  , since vick sucks at throwing putting a guy on vick isnt that much of a loss as it would be with making a guy go on peyton, in which case he would tear the defense up (i hate peyton btw)
This ones done, there are plenty of vick bashing threads already, this one is for marcus.
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10-18-2006, 11:25 PM
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Ok, 1 or 2 people to spy vick. But "10-11" against peyton...hmmm, maybe peytons accuaracy and WRs makes it more like "14-11"
Do you understand that you 10 on 11 analogy makes no sense , since vick sucks at throwing putting a guy on vick isnt that much of a loss as it would be with making a guy go on peyton, in which case he would tear the defense up (i hate peyton btw) |
Lets say Falcons have a 4 wr set. The defense has to have one or two guys spying Vick to make sure he doesn't run. This is a huge advantage that Vick creates.
Regulaur QB in a 4 WR set. That is one more defense player they have.
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10-19-2006, 12:52 AM
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Lets say Falcons have a 4 wr set. The defense has to have one or two guys spying Vick to make sure he doesn't run. This is a huge advantage that Vick creates.
Regulaur QB in a 4 WR set. That is one more defense player they have.
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This is idealy what you would want but with Vick he just isn't accurate enough for this tactic to beat good teams.
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10-19-2006, 02:51 PM
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Great...yes you have to spy him, but you can afford to because he cant throw good enough so it evens out.
He will get MVP "consideration" every year, he will make the probowl every year, he will sell alot of seats in the georgia dome and sell alot of jerseys, but i still say he sucks at dropping back and passing. But saying that it is easier to play peyton is ridiculous, peytons arm will tear a team apart well before vicks legs would.
Hes way overrated...deep down do you really think Vick deserves to be the highest paid player in the NFL? because i really dont. He wins games...sure, but not when it counts, his playoff record is terrible...not because he chokes, but because when you need vick to convert a 3rd and long and he cant run for it...HE CANT DO IT. JMO, dont jump all over me, because this is how i see it and im not alone.
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Peyton's playoff record ain't that great either....
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10-19-2006, 03:19 PM
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I definetly said that its not because vick chokes...meaning like peyton, i was saying abilty wise who would you want on 4th and long for the game?
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