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Old 09-07-2007, 11:02 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Baseball doesn't really deserve to be called and sport and can't be anywhere in the realm of athleticism of football. Seriously quitesanemax backs up my point of you saying that they could use insulin or some other drug to make the roids not show in their urine, do you really think that they're going to waste time on that. That seems like an awful lot of fuss to gain an extra .001 second on a 40 or to bench 5 more pounds.
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Old 09-07-2007, 11:38 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Baseball doesn't really deserve to be called and sport and can't be anywhere in the realm of athleticism of football.
you must have got cut from your high school team lol.when you make a comment like that .all that says to me is you must realy suck at baseball .
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Old 09-10-2007, 10:34 AM   #63 (permalink)
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That seems like an awful lot of fuss to gain an extra .001 second on a 40 or to bench 5 more pounds.
For those who are right on the edge of being an NFL player, and for those who are getting a bit older, and can't keep up any more, a little extra speed could make the difference as to whether they are able to get free from the defender, or keep up with the WR. I don't agree with you. This is their livlihood. Whatever gives them an extra edge could be worth the risk for a lot of them. And again, I honestly don't think many of them think about the long term affects... At that point in their career, they are on top of the world.
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Old 09-10-2007, 05:59 PM   #64 (permalink)
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. That seems like an awful lot of fuss to gain an extra .001 second on a 40 or to bench 5 more pounds.
I wonder where you got those facts, but I have never heard steroids only help that little. Anyway steroids effect everybody differently do you think Bonds doubled his single season home runs by benching pressing 5 more pounds, because that doesn't make any sense at all.
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What you heard huh? LOL

Who did you hear that from? Can you show us a fact or two? Anything?
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What you heard huh? LOL

Who did you hear that from? Can you show us a fact or two? Anything?
Sure do you want me to list the books, or do you dislike reading because you'll learn the truth.
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Oh you would go to Yahoo and search for books for me? Thanks but no thanks.

I'd rather hear something of substance that supports the garbage you call an argument, if you can...

And no, I do not want to hear about physicals you performed on Canseco, or 40 times of guys bigger and faster then the what Rice ran 25 years back, or any urine tests you may have administered...just facts if you can...
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"Anabolic Steroids by Steroid.Com." Steroid.Com. 2006. steroid.com. 1 Jan. 2007 <http://www.steroid.com/>.

Asimov, Isaac. The Human Brain. New York: Penguin Group, 1996. xiii-369.

Associated, Press. "$2.201 Billion Bid Beats Competitors." ESPN. 5 June 2006. espn.go. 4 Jan. 2007 <http://espn.go.com/oly/news/2003/0606/1564473.html>.

Associated, Press. "'96 MVP Admitted Steroid Use, Fought Drug Problem." ESPN. 3 Nov. 2004. espn.go. 3 Jan. 2007 <http://espn.go.com/classic/obit/s/2004/1010/1899091.html>.

Associated, Press. "Palmeiro Docked 10 Days for Steroids." ESPN. 2 Aug. 2005. ESPN.com. 3 Jan. 2007 <http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2121659>.

Barrett, Ted. "McGwire Mum on Steroids in Hearing." CNN. 17 Mar. 2005. CNN.com. 2 Jan. 2007 <http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/03/17/steroids.baseball/>.

"Barry Bonds." Baseball Refrence. 11 Dec. 2006. basebal-refrence.com. 4 Jan. 2007 <http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Barry_Bonds>.

Bellenir, Karen, ed. Drug Information for Teens. 1st ed. Detroit: Peter E. Ruffener, 2002. 3-398.

Blum, Ronald, and Ben Walker. "AP Survey: McGwire Likely to Fall Far Short in Hall Vote." USA Today. 4 Dec. 2006. USAtoday.com. 2 Jan. 2007 <http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/hallfame/2006-11-27-mcgwire-voters_x.htm>.

Bryant, Howard. Juicing the Game. New York: Penguin Group, 2005. 1-402.

Burke, Louise M. "Positive Drug Tests From Supplements." Sports Science. 2000. Sportssci.org. 1 Jan. 2007 <http://sportsci.org/jour/0003/lmb.html>.

Canseco, Jose. Juiced. New York: HarperCollins, 2005. 1-284.

"Cheat." Def. 1. Merriam-Webster. 3 Jan. 2007 <http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/cheat>.

Chopra, Deepak. Ageless Body Timeless Mind. 1st ed. New York: Harmony Books, 1993. 3-334.

Dudley, William, ed. Drugs and Sports. San Diego: Greenhaven P, 2001. 7-83.

Fainaru-Wada, Mark, and Lance Williams. "Barry Bonds: Anatomy of a Scanda." San Fransico Chronicle. 25 Dec. 2003. seattlepi.com. 3 Jan. 2007 <http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/153951_steriods25.html>.

Fainaru-Wada, Mark, and Lance Williams. Game of Shadows. New York: Penguin Group, 2006. ix-269.

Keri, Jonah, ed. Baseball Between the Numbers. New York: Basic Books. ix-374.

Mannie, Ken. "Designer Steroids: Ugly and Dangerous." Natural Strength. 13 Apr. 2004. Naturalstrength.com. 1 Jan. 2007 <http://www.naturalstrength.com/steroids/detail.asp?ArticleID=1075>.

Mathias, Robert. "Steroid Prevention Program Scores with High School Athletes." NIDA. July-Aug. 1997. nida.nih.gov. 3 Jan. 2007 <http://www.nida.nih.gov/NIDA_Notes/NNVol12N4/steroid.html>.

Roleff, Tamara, ed. Drug Abuse. Farmington Hills: Thomas Gale, 2005. 12-206.

Reuters. "IOC Pledges More Drug Tests to Get Cheats." ABC News Online. 30 Aug. 2004. ABC. 1 Jan. 2007 <http://www.abc.net.au/sport/content/200408/s1187611.htm>.

"STEROIDS: PLAY SAFE, PLAY FAIR." American Academy of Pedriatics. American Academy of Pedriatics. 3 Jan. 2007 <http://www.aap.org/family/steroids.htm>.

Walker, Cameron. "Ancient Olympians Followed "Atkins" Diet, Scholar Says." National Geographic. 10 Aug. 2004. Nationalgeogrpahic.com. 4 Jan. 2007 <http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/08/0810_040810_olympic_food_2.html>.

here's some nice reading.
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all cites and no quotes, LMAO!!!!
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You only asked for my sources, I felt that putting a 13 page paper on here would be way too much but I'll put a section on.

The use of performance-enhancing drugs by athletes has robbed honest athletes of the results of a lifetime of work and dedication. Their use has become so frequent that finding honest athletes is almost impossible. In 1995, 198 sprinters, swimmers, power lifters, and other Olympic athletes were asked two questions
You are offered a banned performance-enhancing substance, with two guarantees
1) You will not be caught, and 2) you will win. Would you take it?
You are offered a banned performance-enhancing substance that comes with two guarantees 1) You will never be caught, and 2) You will win every competition you
enter for the next five years, and then you will die from the side effects of the
substance. Would you take it?
One hundred and ninety-five athletes responded yes to the first question, and over half responded yes to the second question (Dudley, 11). What this shows us is how important athletes take their sport. They are willing to sacrifice the virtues of honesty and trustworthiness, in order to succeed. The majority of athletes will risk their lives and turn to performance-enhancing drugs in order to win. With so many people wanting to win that badly the abundant use of performance-enhancing drugs in Olympics, is not a surprise. This has been going on for 50 years and has pushed records out of the reach of natural human ability. Charlie Francis the coach of Ben Johnson, the sprinter who lost his world record and gold medal when he tested positive for steroids in 1988 said this in 2000 “The systematic use of performance-enhancing drugs in sports for more then 50 years has punted standards clear out of sight, so far out of sight that no human can attain them without chemical assistance.” The choice for athletes today has never been clearer cheat or lose (Fainaru 19).
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