[imported_SCT352]

Originally posted by PeanutTillman@Apr 23rd '06 @ 10:31 am
You want to get rid of Jones?

If the price is right yes! If Angelo can gain a 3rd & Day 2 pick. Pull the tigger. For a few reasons. The Bears have Benson & Peterson both proved the can shine in a Turner Offense. This Offense was lead by a rookie QB in Kyle Orton. Now Orton is replaced by Grossman or Griese. Land a playmaker at TE. The Offense will open up more then enough for Benson & Peterson combo to be productive.

Peterson gained 5.1 yards a carry. Would this happen as a #2 back. More then likely not. But is showed that Peterson can be productive in this offense. Thomas Jones will not be a Bear after the 2007 season. If Jones does come back and has another 1300+ season. Jones will for sure hold out for the 2007 season from the advice of Rosehuas. Which makes more sence trade Jones now, before the risk of resigning him drives away potential partners. After 2006 with a possible 1500+ season & higher contract demands. Plus the COLTS are a perfect fit for Jones. Both teams know this. The chance of a decent pick is reality!!

[Excaliru]

Originally posted by SCT352@Apr 23rd '06 @ 10:31 am
When Angelo resigns Briggs. Then gains the Bears another pick on day 1. With either trading down or trading Jones. Lets see hate dispate over the fact the haters still claim ANGELO isnt doing enough to make the Bears a winner!!

Unfortunately, I don't think the hate for Angelo will ever dissipate simply because people are too ignorant to look at all the things he's done for this team and instead base their opinion strictly on him getting rid of or not signing a player that they liked.

For instance, "Angelo didn't resign Rosie Colvin, he's a moron. He should be fired!" Or "Angelo should have drafted Byron Leftwich, he's a moron, he should be fired!" Or "Angelo didn't horrensdously overpay for Randal El, he's a moron, he should be fired!"

Angelo has done some things I have not agreed with over the years and wish he would have done differently. Heck I still wish we would have gotten Terrell Suggs, but everyone makes mistakes and really we don't even know if they are mistakes cuz we can't judge how other players would have done here. We can only judge Angelo on his successes and there have been many of those.

Bringing in John Tait, Ruben Brown, Fred Miller, Thomas Jones, Moose, Adewale Ogunleye, Griese(more recently), Roberto Garza, and John St. Clair (the last 2 both did well as back-ups last year when called upon.)
Drafting Tommie Harris, Peanut Tillman, Ian Scott, Alex Brown, Lance Briggs, Chris Harris, Mark Bradley, Tank Johnson, Terrence Metcalf, Nathan Vasher, Rex Grossman.
Giving long term deals to Urlacher, Mike Brown, ALex Brown, Ogunleye, Kretuz, among others to make sure the team stays together for a long time and stays in a healthy cap situatiion.

Fact of the matter is Angelo pretty much built this entire team and has done it very well to make sure that we can sustain this for a number of years. I am confident that he will get the Briggs deal done and if he doesn't then it will only be because Briggs is asking for way too much. ANgelo has shown a willingness and a great desire to reward his own players with long term deals. He will do everything in the team's best interest to keep Briggs.

[mmmc_35]

Trading of Jones could cause some more offensive problems. I hope it does not happen.

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In the case of Jones as with most RBs, it really comes down to the offensive line. It's no coincidence that all three of our RBs did well last year when they had playing time. The reason is the O line was opening holes for them. This is the reason I would not be distraught about losing Jones if the price were right.

I like the luxury of having Jones, and Benson and Peterson, but as long as the line keeps opening good holes it doesn't really matter who we have back there. Benson will do just fine and Peterson can fill in if necessary. The Bears would also probably draft an RB somewhere in the first 4 rounds if Jones were traded.

[imported_PeanutTillman]

Our OL is in for a BIG Wakeup call next year.

Angelo has done horrible, dont kid yourself.

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Originally posted by PeanutTillman@Apr 23rd '06 @ 11:13 am
Our OL is in for a BIG Wakeup call next year.

Angelo has done horrible, dont kid yourself.

Brilliant analysis...

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[imported_raise_up_va]

Originally posted by PeanutTillman@Apr 23rd '06 @ 1:13 pm
Our OL is in for a BIG Wakeup call next year.

Angelo has done horrible, dont kid yourself.

so how has he done horrible?

[imported_PeanutTillman]

Originally posted by raise_up_va@Apr 23rd '06 @ 12:21 pm
so how has he done horrible?

I'll give you a long winded post that none of you will finsih in the next 15 minutes... be patient.

[Excaliru]

Originally posted by raise_up_va@Apr 23rd '06 @ 11:21 am
so how has he done horrible?

He dared to address a need through free agency by offering Ricky Manning Jr. a contract which Peanut here takes as an offense because he wanted Richard Marshall and assumes that we will no longer get him. (As if it was guarateed that we would have in the first place.)

[imported_PeanutTillman]

Exhibit C :: Terrible Bottom Half of the Roster


A lot of seasons are made and broken by the depth provided by the bottom half of the roster, and the Bears do not have a good one:

Originally posted by Bears Depth Chart
OFFENSE Depth Chart
WR
87 Muhsin Muhammad* 19 Mark Bradley
LT
76 John Tait* 78 John St. Clair* *
LG
74 Ruben Brown* 72 Qasim Mitchell* 79 Steve Edwards*
C
57 Olin Kreutz* 63 Roberto Garza* 62 Lennie Friedman*
RG
60 Terrence Metcalf* 63 Roberto Garza* 79 Steve Edwards*
RT
69 Fred Miller* 78 John St. Clair* *
TE
88 Desmond Clark* 85 John Gilmore* 82 Gabe Reid*
WR
12 Justin Gage* 80 Bernard Berrian* *
QB
8 Rex Grossman* 18 Kyle Orton* *
FB
47 Bryan Johnson* 37 Jason McKie* *
RB
20 Thomas Jones* 32 Cedric Benson* 29 Adrian Peterson*

DEFENSE Depth Chart
LE
93 Adewale Ogunleye* 97 Michael Haynes* 67 Jamaal Green*
DT
91 Tommie Harris* 70 Alfonso Boone* *
NT
95 Ian Scott* 99 Tank Johnson* *
RE
96 Alex Brown* 71 Israel Idonije* *
WLB
55 Lance Briggs* 53 Leon Joe* *
MLB
54 Brian Urlacher* 92 Hunter Hillenmeyer* 58 Jeremy Cain*
SLB
92 Hunter Hillenmeyer* 94 Brendon Ayanbadejo* *
LCB
33 Charles Tillman* ## Ricky Manning Jr. 21 Rashied Davis* 26 Daven Holly*
RCB
31 Nathan Vasher* ## Dante Wesley*
SS
30 Mike Brown* 35 Todd Johnson* *
FS
46 Chris Harris* 43 Mike Green* *

Look at that for a second, outside of a few positions that isnt very good. If any of our Linebackers goes down, we are putting in a very mediocre player. And even this early an injury has strecher our DLine Depth extremely thin.

With the addition of Ricky Manning Jr (who I've warmed up to consideribly) and Dante Wesley our CB depth looks much better, but we have no S who's any good to backup oft-injured Mike Brown.

On Offense is borderline horrid. I've already gone over our OLine depth and our QB sitation is self explanatory; but look at our WR's.

Without a doubt thats the worst in the NFL. Muhammad belongs in the #3 slot, but hes a #1 for us. Mark Bradley's knee is spaghetti and Gage is not a good WR. None of our WR's (other than Bradley) can return the ball at all and Rasied Davis and Airiese Currie is no way to round a unit as #4 and #5.

Our starters arent terrible, but our depth obviously is.