Originally posted by Excaliru@Apr 30th '06 @ 3:33 pm I don't really think it's stupid if you consider that he is drafting for 2006. What offensive player could he have drafted that would contribute right away on offense?
We don't need an RB, no WR would be ready to make an impact, obviously we cant put some rookie QB in there again, and the Oline is filled with veterans. You aren't going to draft some young guy and throw him in there when they already have chemistry.
It just makes sense that if you are playing for the present...you don't need those guys. In the future we will need them though.
Good point, I think their offense should be fine as long they are moving the ball and scoring points
Originally posted by drkcldrsn@Apr 30th '06 @ 3:29 pm Sackman made this comment in another thread:
and after looking at that it sorta makes sense why O wasnt drafted......I also think that JA thought the poor O was part of the poor QB play by a 4th round rook now if Grossman goes down Brian will come in and KO will have time to learn, hold a clip board and party his heart out....While I to dont agree with the draft as a whole I will wait and see.....IMO JA thinks that the D collapsed in the playoff game because the D had no depth....Guess we will see.....
It's a valid point, but looking at the Offensive players he has drafted recently, it makes sense that he was aiming for 2006-2007. All those guys should be entering their 2nd, 3rd or 4th years and hitting their peaks or starting to get into the NFl game next year or 2007.
Originally posted by drkcldrsn@Apr 30th '06 @ 4:29 pm Sackman made this comment in another thread:
and after looking at that it sorta makes sense why O wasnt drafted......I also think that JA thought the poor O was part of the poor QB play by a 4th round rook now if Grossman goes down Brian will come in and KO will have time to learn, hold a clip board and party his heart out....While I to dont agree with the draft as a whole I will wait and see.....IMO JA thinks that the D collapsed in the playoff game because the D had no depth....Guess we will see.....
Thanks for citing that...
They've been building this offense for a while, so it's time for it to "click."
And, in the previous two years, they had very poor depth in the defensive secondary and at LB. They seemed to rely on cheap inexperienced guys thet were either practice squad players, UDFA's, or Arena League projects. When we lost guys like #54 and #30, there was a terrible drop-off in the level of play at those positions. Point blank, it just wasn't a strong enough depth chart to survive a 16 game season.
This year, they're looking at a SB run, and they've wised up an added some veterans (Manning Jr. & Wesley), and stockpiled more defensive talent in the draft to bolster the depth and keep the shelves stocked for the future.
Remember, this will be a top defensive unit, and any defensive player on our team will be an attractive commodity in the free agent market. We'll likely have to work out second contracts for Briggs, Tillman, Vasher, and Tommie Harris at some point in the near future. We won't be able to re-sign them all... so future replacements/insurance policies are being added now.
Like Excaliru said... this is the year. But, the Bears have a long-term plan in place to stay strong on the defensive side of the ball.
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Originally posted by SackMan@Apr 30th '06 @ 3:42 pm Thanks for citing that...
They've been building this offense for a while, so it's time for it to "click."
And, in the previous two years, they had very poor depth in the defensive secondary and at LB. They seemed to rely on cheap inexperienced guys thet were either practice squad players, UDFA's, or Arena League projects. When we lost guys like #54 and #30, there was a terrible drop-off in the level of play at those positions. Point blank, it just wasn't a strong enough depth chart to survive a 16 game season.
This year, they're looking at a SB run, and they've wised up an added some veterans (Manning Jr. & Wesley), and stockpiled more defensive talent in the draft to bolster the depth and keep the shelves stocked for the future.
Remember, this will be a top defensive unit, and any defensive player on our team will be an attractive commodity in the free agent market. We'll likely have to work out second contracts for Briggs, Tillman, Vasher, and Tommie Harris at some point in the near future. We won't be able to re-sign them all... so future replacements/insurance policies are being added now.
Like Excaliru said... this is the year. But, the Bears have a long-term plan in place to stay strong on the defensive side of the ball.
I think that's very well put and I've come off the edge a bit after this draft. At first I was like most people and freaking out, but it makes sense to me now. If we win the division for the next two years, then this draft will make all the more sense.
Originally posted by SackMan@Apr 30th '06 @ 3:42 pm Thanks for citing that...
They've been building this offense for a while, so it's time for it to "click."
And, in the previous two years, they had very poor depth in the defensive secondary and at LB. They seemed to rely on cheap inexperienced guys thet were either practice squad players, UDFA's, or Arena League projects. When we lost guys like #54 and #30, there was a terrible drop-off in the level of play at those positions. Point blank, it just wasn't a strong enough depth chart to survive a 16 game season.
This year, they're looking at a SB run, and they've wised up an added some veterans (Manning Jr. & Wesley), and stockpiled more defensive talent in the draft to bolster the depth and keep the shelves stocked for the future.
Remember, this will be a top defensive unit, and any defensive player on our team will be an attractive commodity in the free agent market. We'll likely have to work out second contracts for Briggs, Tillman, Vasher, and Tommie Harris at some point in the near future. We won't be able to re-sign them all... so future replacements/insurance policies are being added now.
Like Excaliru said... this is the year. But, the Bears have a long-term plan in place to stay strong on the defensive side of the ball.
np after seeing that post I sorta relaxed on the draft......Like I said sorta makes sense.....Still not a big fan of this years draft (especially the last 2 picks bleh) but I have calmed down on it.....I thought even last year that teh secondary was sorta weak depth wise......And I am a fan of the Dusty/Anderson picks so what ever......Just hope the Bears can make the playoffs and win a playoff game now......
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Look at our offense, under construction since 2004:
QB - Grossman = #1 pick '03
QB - Griese = FA acquisition ' 06
QB - Orton = 4th round pick '05
RB - Jones = FA acquisition ' 04
RB - Benson = #1 pick '05
FB - Johnson = trade acquisition '04
LT - Tait = FA acquisition '04
G - Brown/Garza/Metcalf = FA, FA, 3rd round draftpick and new contract extension
C - Kruetz = long-time anchor
RT - Miller = FA acquisition '05
TE - Clark = FA acquisition '03... garbage.
WR - Moose = FA acquisition '05
WR - Bradley = 2ndround pick '05
WR - Berrian = 3rd round pick '04
WR - Currie = 5th round pick '05
Now add the 2 draft picks of FB & OG. While also including the recent position switch by Rashied Davis to WR. A highly prouctive WR in the arena league. The Bears now need stabity on Offense. They basically have a nice foundation.
Originally posted by SCT352@Apr 30th '06 @ 5:13 pm
Now add the 2 draft picks of FB & OG. While also including the recent position switch by Rashied Davis to WR. A highly prouctive WR in the arena league. The Bears now need stabity on Offense. They basically have a nice foundation.
I wouldn't add today's draft picks yet, afterall, they may not even make the roster when it's all said and done.
The stability you're craving for is being acheived right now. They're returning all of their starters.
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Originally posted by Excaliru@Apr 30th '06 @ 3:13 pm
[b] More proof? Angelo resigned all his TEs this offseason. Why didn't he draft one? Well...I'm not 100% sure and I wish he would have drafted one but I think I can see where he is coming from. I think that he feels that like a WR any TE we could have had will not be ready to contribute this year or next year. [/B/He wants to win now and will not draft a player this year that is not ready to contribute this year.
The strongest evidence that he is playing for 2006-2007? 2006 will be his 5th in chicago(well actually his 6th, but his 5th year was already a good one. He's trying to prove that it wasn't a fluke). Typically a defining year for a GM. Why hasn't he given Lovie an extension? Everything is riding on 2006. He plans to win big in 2006 and at the end of the season he will then give Lovie a big extension as well as recieve a possible extension himself at the end of 2006 or 2007. Once Smith's and Angelo's tenure is secure over the next 4 or so years...he will once again look to strengthen the teambeyond the 2007 season.
Next year look for Angelo to draft a TE, as well as several Olinemen. Next year is when he will look to the future.
However, don't discount that Angelo may try to snag a veteran TE. With the infusion of young TE talent I would not be surprised that a team may let a very solid veteran go or consider a trade. Angelo will look to bring a VETERAN TE if possible.
I'm not saying I necessarily agree drafting strictly for the moment, but I kind of understand it now. If it pays off in 2006-2007, ANgelo ensures himself and Lovie another 3-4 years.
oh and what a group it is. btw, clark was signed to a 7 year deal in 2003. the bears admitted that they miscalculated on the tight ends (read john mullin's draft blog on chicagosports.com). and if you honestly believe leonard pope, dominique byrd, owen daniels or david thomas wouldn't be instantly better than gabe reid or john gilmore, that's pure football retardation.
why is it so hard to understand:
the bears are blowing a once in a lifetime opportunity. player for player, they have arguably more talent on their defense than the past few super bowl winners. the missing piece on this team is any semblance of a real offense. their failure to add playmakers to this offense once again is a joke.
how many gamebreakers on offense do the bears have in your estimation?
wish in one hand for your 2006-2007 superbowl and **** in the other. tell me which one fills up faster.
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I think I understand what JA is doing!
btw, clark was signed to a 7 year deal in 2003. the bears admitted that they miscalculated on the tight ends (read john mullin's draft blog on chicagosports.com). and if you honestly believe leonard pope, dominique byrd, owen daniels or david thomas wouldn't be instantly better than gabe reid or john gilmore, that's pure football retardation. 
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