My wife keeps telling me with the draft my team had they better give less then 10 ppg or she is going to laugh at me.......Oh well........
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Next year look for Angelo to draft a TE, as well as several Olinemen. Next year is when he will look to the future.
I always see this posted by one Bear fan or another after every draft (especially drafting O line men) and every year JA ignores it.....I start to wonder on that.....
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Originally posted by Excaliru@Apr 30th '06 @ 5:13 pm Okay, at first I was confused, but I think I now understand exactly what Angelo is doing.
ANgelo is drafting for the present. Plain and simple, he devoted this draft for the here and now. He is planning to win in the 2006-2007 seasons. If you look at what he has done since he has been here...it seems that this has been his plan all along. In the past few drafts he has drafted in such a way that all his key players should be at the point of maturity right around the 2006-2007 seasons.
I can't go through all the things that lead me to believe this, but here are some of them.
Everyone Angelo has drafted this year is expected to make an immediate impact by ensuring the depth of the team in 2006-2007. Manning and Hester are immediately placed on special teams and ensure two things: We will have a very strong punt and kick return game and they will also serve as tacklers on defensive special teams. The speed these guys offer in addition to Ayenbadejo should give the bears a huge upgrade in the return and special teams coverage areas.
To put it simply, Angelo is trying to raise the level of the special teams to that of the defense. These 1st two picks will greatly improve that area of the Bears.
Secondly, one of the biggest criticisms that the Bears faced last year was depth on defense. The two guys already mentioned add a lot of depth to the secondary and more importantly it adds speed in order to match up against guys like Santana Moss and Steve Smith. Additionally he drafted an OLB to either take over for, or replace, Hunter Hillenmeyer thus adding depth. LB being one of the easiest positions to transition to in the NFl from college. On this same note he drafted a DT because Tank Johnson is gone for the year. Angelo is drafting to win right now.
Let's look at the roster starting with the offense. Angelo finally brought in an established back-up QB. Why? Because 2006-2007 are his target years to go to the superbowl. 2004-2005 were supposed to be years for Rex to develop. This is why he never bothered to bring in an established QB.
Everyone has noticed the Oline is old yet Angelo did not draft Olinemen and resigned all the guys on the roster. Angelo knows his guys are aging, but he is playing for 2006-2007 and he knows that they are good for the next 2-3 years. Again...he wants to win now.
In Angelo's mind the return of Benson, Berrian, Bradley, Currie and Grossman will already upgrade the offense greatly over last year. Also each of these guys offer more to the team in the next two years than any rookie would. It's well documented that rookie WRs contribute little in the first year or two. Angelo feels that these guys are going to contribute more in the next two years than anyone he cuold have gotten in the draft.
With all the talk of the COlts wanting Thomas Jones, Angelo did not trade him. Again this makes sense. He knows Jones will probably hold out and perhaps Angelo will not get anything for him, but he needs him THIS year. He could not let Jones go unless he got an established player that could contribute this year.
More proof? Angelo resigned all his TEs this offseason. Why didn't he draft one? Well...I'm not 100% sure and I wish he would have drafted one but I think I can see where he is coming from. I think that he feels that like a WR any TE we could have had will not be ready to contribute this year or next year. He wants to win now and will not draft a player this year that is not ready to contribute this year.
The strongest evidence that he is playing for 2006-2007? 2006 will be his 5th in chicago(well actually his 6th, but his 5th year was already a good one. He's trying to prove that it wasn't a fluke). Typically a defining year for a GM. Why hasn't he given Lovie an extension? Everything is riding on 2006. He plans to win big in 2006 and at the end of the season he will then give Lovie a big extension as well as recieve a possible extension himself at the end of 2006 or 2007. Once Smith's and Angelo's tenure is secure over the next 4 or so years...he will once again look to strengthen the teambeyond the 2007 season.
Next year look for Angelo to draft a TE, as well as several Olinemen. Next year is when he will look to the future.
However, don't discount that Angelo may try to snag a veteran TE. With the infusion of young TE talent I would not be surprised that a team may let a very solid veteran go or consider a trade. Angelo will look to bring a VETERAN TE if possible.
I'm not saying I necessarily agree drafting strictly for the moment, but I kind of understand it now. If it pays off in 2006-2007, ANgelo ensures himself and Lovie another 3-4 years.
As long as the Bears reach the Super Bowl in 2006, I have no problem with what you are saying. But if they fall short due to issues that could have been addressed in the offseason then...well ya know!
the white sox won the world series last year. kenny williams would've been justified in taking the approach angelo is right now, as he put together a team good enough to win it all last season. but he did just the opposite. he made moves to improve a world champion rather than stand still and rest on his laurels.
if winning a division championship every four years and losing a home playoff game is your goal as a bear fan then yes, keep making excuses for jerry angelo.
if your expectation of the bears is to win the super bowl, i don't see how you can be satisfied and it all starts with the guy pulling the strings.
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holy ****, I didn't even realize we drafted Hester. Now, it may have been a little early (what the hell do I know) but if we can get this kid to concentrate on his hands.. wow, can you imagine him in the slot?
Originally posted by natas@Apr 30th '06 @ 5:59 pm holy ****, I didn't even realize we drafted Hester. Now, it may have been a little early (what the hell do I know) but if we can get this kid to concentrate on his hands.. wow, can you imagine him in the slot?
Originally posted by d00kd00k@Apr 30th '06 @ 4:34 pm oh and what a group it is. btw, clark was signed to a 7 year deal in 2003. the bears admitted that they miscalculated on the tight ends (read john mullin's draft blog on chicagosports.com). and if you honestly believe leonard pope, dominique byrd, owen daniels or david thomas wouldn't be instantly better than gabe reid or john gilmore, that's pure football retardation.
why is it so hard to understand:
the bears are blowing a once in a lifetime opportunity. player for player, they have arguably more talent on their defense than the past few super bowl winners. the missing piece on this team is any semblance of a real offense. their failure to add playmakers to this offense once again is a joke.
how many gamebreakers on offense do the bears have in your estimation?
wish in one hand for your 2006-2007 superbowl and **** in the other. tell me which one fills up faster.
Look whatever argument you make here is strictly speculation on your part. You are assuming that Pope or whoever would actually make some sort of significant contribution to this team in the first year or two. Obviously Angelo didn't agree with you. He's got multimillion dollar scouts scouting every player out there. It doesn't mean he's right...but he's in a better position to make that decision.
Secondly, you are comparing Pope to the TEs we have on the roster...in my evaluation of this matter that completely is insignificant. Perhapos he could be a little better than what we have this year...perhaps not. I don't know. History tells us that most likely he will not be a huge difference maker in the first year or two. Therefore the comparison is Pope/another TE vs. the impact that Manning or Hester will have. In Angelo's opinion both Hester and Manning will do MORE for this team NOW than Pope. The comparison is not Clark vs. Pope 3 years down the line...it's who can do the most for me RIGHT now.
I don't know how many gamebreakers the Bears have on offense. I would first have to see what Benson, Bradley, Rex and Currie can do together...then maybe I can tell you. I don't think they have an explosive team, but I also don't think taht ANY offensive player we could have drafted would have helped us in the next 2 years. Down the line...you're probably right. At this moment you probably aren't. I'm looking at this from Angelo's point of view. I'm not saying it's right, but it does make sense.
Originally posted by drkcldrsn@Apr 30th '06 @ 4:46 pm My wife keeps telling me with the draft my team had they better give less then 10 ppg or she is going to laugh at me.......Oh well........
I always see this posted by one Bear fan or another after every draft (especially drafting O line men) and every year JA ignores it.....I start to wonder on that.....
Yeah, but it's the Bears fans posting not Angelo. I'm not Angelo so I'm only speculating, but if you look at his whole tenure here it makes sense.
He has brought in veteran Olinemen and a TE aiming for 2006-2007. Therefore, based on that I am concluding that after those years he will look to the future. It's just a theory but it makes sense as to why he hasn't drafted them so far.
Originally posted by d00kd00k@Apr 30th '06 @ 5:20 pm how about this.
the white sox won the world series last year. kenny williams would've been justified in taking the approach angelo is right now, as he put together a team good enough to win it all last season. but he did just the opposite. he made moves to improve a world champion rather than stand still and rest on his laurels.
if winning a division championship every four years and losing a home playoff game is your goal as a bear fan then yes, keep making excuses for jerry angelo.
if your expectation of the bears is to win the super bowl, i don't see how you can be satisfied and it all starts with the guy pulling the strings.
Honestly, comparing baseball to football is meaningless. There's no cap in baseball and it's a sport of individuals. You can buy yourself a great roster in baseball. It doesn't work that way in football.
No one here is making any excuses for Jerry Angelo. I was just looking at things from his point of view. It's called thinking critically. I don't know if it's 100% right, but it makes sense to me.
I might not have made the same choices if I were in charge, but that's not up to me. I am just trying to udnerstand why he has made the choices he has made. This is the explanation that best makes sense to me. All I presented was the explanation that I think makes sense to me. I'm not advocating it...it's just what I think that he is thinking...
I think I understand what JA is doing!
btw, clark was signed to a 7 year deal in 2003. the bears admitted that they miscalculated on the tight ends (read john mullin's draft blog on chicagosports.com). and if you honestly believe leonard pope, dominique byrd, owen daniels or david thomas wouldn't be instantly better than gabe reid or john gilmore, that's pure football retardation. 
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