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Old 11-18-2004, 07:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
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In some of the mocks i have seen, alot of people have the falcons taking a Olinemen or a DT...my question is why?

Atlanta drafted Chad Lavalias and signed Rod Coleman last year..Why go with another DT in the first rd..

Alex Gibbs has shown he can take 3rd to 4th rd picks and turn them into all-pros..so why go with one in the first rd..

I havent see one mock that shows atlanta taking someone where they are real weak....the secondary

The addition of DLO is nice, and the pick up of webster is decent, but after that you have Beasely, Mathis, and Rossum behind them...At your saftey spots you got Bryan Scott and Cory Hall, but after them you have Shideeq Shabaz, and Kevin Mccadam..

I would think atlanta would try getting a starter for the secondary..Maybe Ernest Shazor? or someone else..

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Old 11-18-2004, 08:08 AM   #2 (permalink)
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D. Hall was a first round pick and Webster was an overpaid FA signing. Scott was a second round pick and C. Hall was an overpaid FA signing. Yet you feel a pick is better used there than at DT where Lavalais was a fourth round pick and Coleman signed for about the same Webster did? I'm not saying we need a DT in the first, but exactly how much money are we looking to sink into our secondary? You're also forgetting about Pruitt at safety.

Even with Hall out most of the games we played, we haven't allowed any more TDs through the air than Tampa has. While I'm not pleased with our 3rd to last rating in yards per game given up, the 11 TDs we've allowed puts us near the middle of the league, way up from being 3rd to last just last year with 28. I'd rather pass on a first round DB unless someone is sitting there who is just far too good to pass up.

Going back to DT for a moment; look how much our defense dropped off during Coleman's absence. Hall was out, and our secondary didn't play bad enough to cost us any games. Coleman is out, and all three weeks we allow over 20 points, two games resulting in a combined 84 points. DT looks to be in need of depth more than DB. T. Hall (damn we have a lot of Hall's ) is gonna have a cap hit around 3-4 million, at least, so he may be gone. There's another reason to add more depth.

The All-Pro's Gibbs has "converted" all had a good amount of talent before hand. The main reason they were selected so low was because of concerns about weight and what-not. Neil was pretty damned good at Texas, and if he'd been a first round project, I think there's a good chance Denver takes him there instead of waiting to see if he's still there in the third. As it was, he was still there in the third because of his "less than ideal" playing weight. We have given up 30 sacks this year, so if someone in our FO sees someone we need, I believe they're likely to target them for whatever round we feel worthy, be it first, third, or seventh.

Unless our season turns around, and we get a higher draft spot (or trade up?), I believe they'll take whoever is the best value on the board.

TE may be a spot though if we can't get a deal worked with Crumpler in the off-season though.

DE and DT could use depth, and if someone is there that presents themself as a strong possibility for starter, I think there's a good chance of us taking them.

Stewart's going to be a UFA so taking a Sam backer is a possibility as well.

I would say WR, CB, S and QB are the four least likely selections, IMO, depending on who is available. We've used a high pick and a spendy signing on two people in three of those positions (Jenkins & Price, Webster & Hall, Hall & Scott) over the last two offseasons. Granted, if someone's there worth taking, we should. However, in the event of a "tie in value", so to speak, I think that position takes a position on the back burner for the time being while we address another that doesn't have so much money already invested into it.

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Buddha, Buddha, Buddha...

D. Hall was a first round pick and Webster was an overpaid FA signing. Scott was a second round pick and C. Hall was an overpaid FA signing. Yet you feel a pick is better used there than at DT where Lavalais was a fourth round pick and Coleman signed for about the same Webster did? I'm not saying we need a DT in the first, but exactly how much money are we looking to sink into our secondary? You're also forgetting about Pruitt at safety.

Even with Hall out most of the games we played, we haven't allowed any more TDs through the air than Tampa has. While I'm not pleased with our 3rd to last rating in yards per game given up, the 11 TDs we've allowed puts us near the middle of the league, way up from being 3rd to last just last year with 28. I'd rather pass on a first round DB unless someone is sitting there who is just far too good to pass up.

Going back to DT for a moment; look how much our defense dropped off during Coleman's absence. Hall was out, and our secondary didn't play bad enough to cost us any games. Coleman is out, and all three weeks we allow over 20 points, two games resulting in a combined 84 points. DT looks to be in need of depth more than DB. T. Hall (damn we have a lot of Hall's ) is gonna have a cap hit around 3-4 million, at least, so he may be gone. There's another reason to add more depth.

The All-Pro's Gibbs has "converted" all had a good amount of talent before hand. The main reason they were selected so low was because of concerns about weight and what-not. Neil was pretty damned good at Texas, and if he'd been a first round project, I think there's a good chance Denver takes him there instead of waiting to see if he's still there in the third. As it was, he was still there in the third because of his "less than ideal" playing weight. We have given up 30 sacks this year, so if someone in our FO sees someone we need, I believe they're likely to target them for whatever round we feel worthy, be it first, third, or seventh.

Unless our season turns around, and we get a higher draft spot (or trade up?), I believe they'll take whoever is the best value on the board.

TE may be a spot though if we can't get a deal worked with Crumpler in the off-season though.

DE and DT could use depth, and if someone is there that presents themself as a strong possibility for starter, I think there's a good chance of us taking them.

Stewart's going to be a UFA so taking a Sam backer is a possibility as well.

I would say WR, CB, S and QB are the four least likely selections, IMO, depending on who is available. We've used a high pick and a spendy signing on two people in three of those positions (Jenkins & Price, Webster & Hall, Hall & Scott) over the last two offseasons. Granted, if someone's there worth taking, we should. However, in the event of a "tie in value", so to speak, I think that position takes a position on the back burner for the time being while we address another that doesn't have so much money already invested into it.

Yea lo, i know we spent money on Webster..but hes giving up alot of passes..Beasely is getting old...Hall cant do everything on his own..

DT...I can see the need for it...With Jasper getting older, Lavalias and Coleman are the ones left to shoulder the load..So that is a possibilty..

WR...How many picks are we gonna waste on WR every year..Jimmy Faris, Laterance Dunbar, Terrance Edwards, Peerless Price, Dez White, Michael Jenkins..All in the last 2 years..only 3 are still on the roster.

S..The FO cant decide were they want Pruitt, one week he is on the practice squad, the next he is back on the roster, than the next week he is back on the practice squad..With Bryan Scott becoming an emerging star, their is no way we can play him back at CB, so he is set thier..What about Cory Hall? He hasnt really made an impact since he has been here..

OL- Another tricky position..If their is just that one guy that you know you cant pass than take him, but i dont think their is that one guy this year.
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Old 11-18-2004, 11:03 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Yea lo, i know we spent money on Webster..but hes giving up alot of passes..Beasely is getting old...Hall cant do everything on his own..

DT...I can see the need for it...With Jasper getting older, Lavalias and Coleman are the ones left to shoulder the load..So that is a possibilty..

WR...How many picks are we gonna waste on WR every year..Jimmy Faris, Laterance Dunbar, Terrance Edwards, Peerless Price, Dez White, Michael Jenkins..All in the last 2 years..only 3 are still on the roster.

S..The FO cant decide were they want Pruitt, one week he is on the practice squad, the next he is back on the roster, than the next week he is back on the practice squad..With Bryan Scott becoming an emerging star, their is no way we can play him back at CB, so he is set thier..What about Cory Hall? He hasnt really made an impact since he has been here..

OL- Another tricky position..If their is just that one guy that you know you cant pass than take him, but i dont think their is that one guy this year.
WR isn't even a first round though for me. We have, essentially, used a first round pick in the last two drafts for a wideout. Unless, that is, we decide to cut our losses with Price. Cutting him before June 1st would still save us 2mil next year, I believe, so if his play doesn't pick up, he could possibly be gone though I don't find it extremely likely. So I don't see WR being a first round pick, and perhaps not even a first day pick. And Pez was never a pick we used for a WR

I could see a corner added after the first round, perhaps even two to help out with depth, but I don't see us using a first last year, signing a spendy FA last year, and then drafting another first this year. You want your first rounders to be starters, and Webster is making too much to be a nickel. It's conceivable that we could do like we did with Williams and let him go after one season, however I don't think he's been that bad, and we wouldn't save too much I believe.

Cory hasn't made any huge impact, but he's played solid enough. He's got just as many tackles as Draft has made so far. Unless we got the chance to get a ball-hawk playmaker, I don't see the need for a first round safety.

Unless someone stands apart at a different position, I see DL, OL, and LB being the three areas that get the higher priority in the first round.
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WR isn't even a first round though for me. We have, essentially, used a first round pick in the last two drafts for a wideout. Unless, that is, we decide to cut our losses with Price. Cutting him before June 1st would still save us 2mil next year, I believe, so if his play doesn't pick up, he could possibly be gone though I don't find it extremely likely. So I don't see WR being a first round pick, and perhaps not even a first day pick. And Pez was never a pick we used for a WR

I could see a corner added after the first round, perhaps even two to help out with depth, but I don't see us using a first last year, signing a spendy FA last year, and then drafting another first this year. You want your first rounders to be starters, and Webster is making too much to be a nickel. It's conceivable that we could do like we did with Williams and let him go after one season, however I don't think he's been that bad, and we wouldn't save too much I believe.

Cory hasn't made any huge impact, but he's played solid enough. He's got just as many tackles as Draft has made so far. Unless we got the chance to get a ball-hawk playmaker, I don't see the need for a first round safety.

Unless someone stands apart at a different position, I see DL, OL, and LB being the three areas that get the higher priority in the first round.
I could see us going with a LB..Isnt Stewart a FA after this year? DMO Williams is playing good...damn good...Hmm time shall tell were we go..

Im a little biased..But i could see us draftin Shazor..He is a ball hawker, the size of a lb and speedy..So its possible that we draft him and convert him into a LB..
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