View Poll Results: In hindsight, who should the Falcons have taken with the top pick of the 2001 NFL Dra

Fielding · 07-27-2006, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by gruntbygod

Where will Vicks marketability be when his legs wares down and his game is gone? Who will pack the GD to see him then? Where will the marketabilty be when they cant compete with the Panthers or Buccs, who are up for the long haul? What happens to Atlantas run game when Dunns age catches up to him. Vick is a mirage, yes he has a good winning percentage, but the league has figured him out. He hasnt gotten better, his stats have declined since his second year. Brees is by no means a god, but I would take Brees and Tomilson over Vick, Dunn, and Ducket any day of the week, then I would invent a new day and take them that day too. Think about this as far as marketability, I honestly believe LT will catch Emmitt ( and I am Cowboy fan) LT puts the time, and money ( personal trainers) into his body that will carry him farther than other backs. Who will have more marketability if he does pass Emmitt. Thats a prestious milestone ( footballs home run record) that will market that franchise in and of itself, long after Vick is just another Kordell Stewart clone

Ok, you're not seeing the point I'm trying to make.
Vick has shown that he is mediocre at times but he is a winner. His track record spanning all the way back to his days at VT attest to that. In the Darwinian world of the NFL players are replaced, recycled, and washed up. NO ONE IS EXEMPT FROM THAT. the second Vick losses magic he will be replaced so will Tomlinson, Brees (who alerady has been replaced), Culppeper, ect.

Its intresting how you say that that you would take Tomlinson and Brees over Vick, Dunn, and Ducket even though the falcon trio has won more games together and have rushed for more yards.

I have admitted that the numbers say that Brees as an individual has outperformed Vick but has lost more games than him and still, I reiterate. The Falcons shout NOT regret that they drafted Vick.

Now here ares some more numbers for you, in 2005 Vick and Crumpler (the 1st and 2nd round picks of the 01 draft) compbined for a 10,372,650 cap hit while the Chargers paid 16,149,056 to Brees and Tomlinson), The Falcons have payed more real money to Vick and but have taken a lesser cap hit. Now if you really want to talk about money Brees has been more of a cursed blessing. He was so inconsistent that the front office went and drafted another QB and paid him a butt-ton of money as well, then he up and gets good and puts his team in a finacial bind.

As far as the Market aspect, let me let you in on a little secret: most nfl players dont last 12 years with thier original teams. It took Emmit 10 or eleven years to surpass Payton do you really think that the Chargers are going to hold on to Tomlinson for that long? Given the treatment they gave to Drew Brees dispite his performance. Odds are that if BLT does catch Smith he will be in another uniform.

**gruntbygod** · 07-27-2006, 12:50 AM

But what hapens when the Falcons stop winning? You are not seeing my point. Yes Vick has a good win/loss record, but as a passer, and a player he has digressed over his career. the Falcons are staring up at the Panthers and Bucs, and will be for some time. How do you market a 6-10 team? The fact is that most people now realize what kind of QB Vick is, and if he continues to tread water as a QB, then his marketability will sink, plain and simple

And here is a little secret for you, no one thinks of Emmit as a Cardinal, when all is said and done, people will remember LT as a Charger

**Professor** · 07-27-2006, 12:54 AM

vick is an average QB at best. LT would have been the best choice, he can run behind a bad oline, LT would have enabled the falcons to focus on other areas and not became so one dimensional on offense. The defense would be strong and with the offense having a better passer (that is no ? because of how bad a passer vick is) they would be able to sustain better drives and would be a better overall team for it. but if they want jersey sales, I guess that is ok with them.

Potatoking · 07-27-2006, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Fielding

the falcon trio has won more games together and have rushed for more yards.

Does it take a team effort?

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Fielding · 07-27-2006, 01:01 AM

ok, grunt, here. The thread asks:

"In HINDSIGHT, who should the Falcons have taken with the top pick of the 2001 NFL Draft"

Hindsight is the opertive and just in case you're not too sure what it means, here:

hind·sight (hndst)
n.
1. Perception of the significance and nature of events AFTER they have occurred.
2. The rear sight of a firearm.

Hindsight says that the Falcons have not made a mistake thus far, all of your little preditcions of the greatness of BLT and efficieny Brees (who isnt even with the Chargers anymore) are just that PREDICTIONS. So far the Falcons have gotten more wins, rushed for more yards, and have gone deeper into to playoffs with Vick and Crumpler than the Chargers have with Brees and Tomlinson. Tomlinson could get hurt, Vick could adjust (or vice Versa). We are not talking about What CAN happen we are talking about what HAS happend. And the bottom line is that the Falcons organization has gottten better results. Thats some hindsight for you.

Fielding · 07-27-2006, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by professorellisdtrails

vick is an average QB at best. LT would have been the best choice, he can run behind a bad oline, LT would have enabled the falcons to focus on other areas and not became so one dimensional on offense. The defense would be strong and with the offense having a better passer (that is no ? because of how bad a passer vick is) they would be able to sustain better drives and would be a better overall team for it. but if they want jersey sales, I guess that is ok with them.

Again, the Falcons dont need help with thier running game. They have a working fomula for a succesful running game, BLT would be nice to have, but they dont need him. Isnt a strong running game the key to sustain drives? In 2004 the falcons led the league in first down conversions. Dont muy too much into BLT's name and talent. The Flacons have proven that they get along just fine with out him.

You forget that winning is not everything to the poeple writing the checks, bank accounts are just as important too.

**gruntbygod** · 07-27-2006, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Fielding

ok, grunt, here. The thread asks:

"In HINDSIGHT, who should the Falcons have taken with the top pick of the 2001 NFL Draft"

Hindsight is the opertive and just in case you're not too sure what it means, here:

hind·sight (hndst)
n.
1. Perception of the significance and nature of events AFTER they have occurred.
2. The rear sight of a firearm.

Hindsight says that the Falcons have not made a mistake thus far, all of your little preditcions of the greatness of BLT and efficieny Brees (who isnt even with the Chargers anymore) are just that PREDICTIONS. So far the Falcons have gotten more wins, rushed for more yards, and have gone deeper into to playoffs with Vick and Crumpler than the Chargers have with Brees and Tomlinson. Tomlinson could get hurt, Vick could adjust (or vice Versa). We are not talking about What CAN happen we are talking about what HAS happend. And the bottom line is that the Falcons organization has gottten better results. Thats some hindsight for you.

not only hindsight, but foresight, rearsight, nightvision sight= LT>Vick
Brees is just sweetener

**Professor** · 07-27-2006, 01:12 AM

I think it is still speculation no matter what, I think that brees was mediocre at best and was about to get benched if it wasn't for gates that saved his rear. I think there are several QB's that the falcons could have gotten that would have brought a better passing attack to compliement LT, and they wouldn't be such a one trick pony.