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d00kd00k · 04-17-2007, 08:58 PM

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Character risks are all relative. People seem to think just because a guy has a character issue problem he's an automatic liability. I think teams learn a lot more about character when they meet these players. Remember how marlin jackson slipped because of character or kelley washington or Fred Smoot...

2 of These guys went on to become premier free agents and the other put his team in the superbowl by beating the colts arch nemesis: the pats.

Mark Chmura wasn't a character risk on draft day. Dmitrijs underwood wasn't if i remember correctly and neither was Neil Robbins or Rae Carruth. On the other hand Ray Lewis slipped because of character issues and teams let themselves be talked out of Dan Marino in 83 because of some majiuana rumors. Just because its listed on some website as so and so has character issues doesn't make it so...I think teams approach players this same way. having someone in the organization or on the team that can relate to a guy like Lynch can make all the difference regardless what his meaningless bio sheet says about "character"
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i'm extrapolating what i heard from jerry angelo and lovie smith when asked pointed questions about tank johnson at the fan convention. angelo admitted that his first inclination was to cut tank right then and there. i guarantee you with the heavy punishments layed upon pacman and pukeman teams will put an even bigger premium on character eval.

lynch has a pending assault charge and an open DUI case, so i don't follow your meaningless bio sheet reference at all. facts are facts.

Mr. Manning · 04-17-2007, 08:59 PM

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32) Colts: Jon Beason OLB Miami FL JR
84) Chiefs: Justin Harrell DT Tennessee SR
95) Colts: Steve Smith WR USC SR
98) Colts: Stephen Nicholas OLB South Florida SR
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I'm all for the Beason pick.
Whats up with Harrell falling that far?
If Smith fell this far and the Colts didn't take him I would shoot myself. It would be a dream scenario to get him at 95.
I don't mind Nicholas there either. I'm sure the other Colts fans here will holler for Black instead, I'm 50/50 on it.

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131) Clots: Derek Landri DT Notre Dame SR
136) Colts: Lorenzo Booker RB Florida State SR
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Sure and why not. Except for the "Clots" part

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169) Colts: Steve Vallos OG Wake Forest SR
173) Colts: Anthony Arline CB Baylor SR
242) Colts: Jared Zabransky QB Boise State SR
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I don't know about Vallos, but I would rather not have him. Isn't Arline slower than Corey Dillion? I do know one thing, drafting Zabransky in the 7th could be the start of a profound change in the way we understand the game of football.

I see the logic in the way your 1st round falls. What about David Harris though? I think the guy should be drafter there, but is he moving up for some teams?

OZZY · 04-17-2007, 09:06 PM

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Really don't like the Giants draft. We don't need an OL in the first. I told you this last time. Any CB, OLB or WR would be a better pick. WR isn't adressed till the 6th? and I don't like Josh Wilson[/b]

Luke Petitgout and Bob Whitfield are gone, where they not both starters last year? O’Hara and Grey Ruegamer were signed recently, and then they have Snee and Diehl. So what Seubert or Ruegamer is the starting OT on the other side? And do the Giants still have Kareem McKenzie? On the bench supposedly they have guys like Jon Dunn, Lewis Kelly, Matt Lentz and Guy Whimper. Now if they think Whimper, or Dunn can get it done then yes you are right they do not have a major problem at OT.

I agree they need an OLB bad, but really I am not sure if Beason is good enough to get picked that high, and all the other top LB’s will be gone by then. And yeah you can not like Josh Wilson, but if you can watch the game he played at Clemson this year, that was probably his best game and he looked like a stud in that performace.

But yes the Giants could easily go for Ross, Houston or Revis at that pick as well.

Also, guys don't get me wrong I really like Lynch as a player but issues of character I think could push him out of the 1st, also really if the Packers do not take him what other team will? The Giants? Only those two teams really need a RB. I like him as a player though, I think he has great quickness in the hole and has tons of big play ability.

OZZY · 04-17-2007, 09:09 PM

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I see the logic in the way your 1st round falls. What about David Harris though? I think the guy should be drafter there, but is he moving up for some teams?[/b]

I personaly have Harris in the first because ideally the Patriots would get a CB with their second 1st round pick. But, since all of the good ones are gone, and I am not real high on McCauley, and I think Hughes is a little slow for a CB, I think the Patriots would be smart to think towards the future at get Harris. He would be great as a ILB in a 3/4 defense and we all know Bruschi will not be around forever.

G-Men88 · 04-17-2007, 10:03 PM

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Luke Petitgout and Bob Whitfield are gone, where they not both starters last year? O’Hara and Grey Ruegamer were signed recently, and then they have Snee and Diehl. So what Seubert or Ruegamer is the starting OT on the other side? And do the Giants still have Kareem McKenzie? On the bench supposedly they have guys like Jon Dunn, Lewis Kelly, Matt Lentz and Guy Whimper. Now if they think Whimper, or Dunn can get it done then yes you are right they do not have a major problem at OT.

I agree they need an OLB bad, but really I am not sure if Beason is good enough to get picked that high, and all the other top LB’s will be gone by then. And yeah you can not like Josh Wilson, but if you can watch the game he played at Clemson this year, that was probably his best game and he looked like a stud in that performace.

But yes the Giants could easily go for Ross, Houston or Revis at that pick as well.
Also, guys don't get me wrong I really like Lynch as a player but issues of character I think could push him out of the 1st, also really if the Packers do not take him what other team will? The Giants? Only those two teams really need a RB. I like him as a player though, I think he has great quickness in the hole and has tons of big play ability.
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Whitfield only started because of injuries. And yes, the Giants still have Mckenzie he is our starting RT and David Diehl will be our starting LT since he is moving there. Now, OL is a need, but not in the first round. Either the 3rd or 4th. And the Giants like Beason a lot. He is being brought in for interviews tomorrow.

Bobo · 04-17-2007, 10:39 PM

Meach is coolio.

Rather have Woodly in the 2nd and Harrell in the 3rd

A punter in the 4th....no comment

I think I have to take a RB there.

Don't know anything about that TE, but a TE is possable.

I should love Mitchell being a UT fan, but Waters looks to have more potential.

Pride of Detroit · 04-18-2007, 01:54 PM

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Thanks for all the comments, and there are legitimate things pointed out. However I must address the comment of the Lions not getting a DE early in the draft. Now correct me if I am wrong, but they have signed Dewayne White a solid and potential starting DE from Tampa Bay. They they do already have Kalimba Edwards a decent player, and behind him is a talented athletic rush end in Swancutt, and Harriott has potential. Then you have a run stopping DE in DeVries. Not to mention, if Shaun Rogers comes back well, and if they like Bryant at the other DT spot, they could always move Redding back out to DE.

Thus I find it odd why even Kiper has the Lions taking Adams when I think they have a decent defensive line, especially with Rogers in the mix. Now maybe one of those players is not on the team, maybe they cut Swancutt or something but based on those players I would be satisfied with them all at the DE position.

However, I must say the Lions do not have many major needs outside of ILB, CB, TE and maybe S. They are a young team with a lot of talent that has been collected. And since they have so many picks, I bet they will trade them to either get a great player or get a veteran player on another team.
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Kalimba Edwards is a horribly underachieving and should most defintely not be given the benefit of the doubt as a starting DE... something hes never been. Dwayne White is in the same boat, not a full season as a starter. Rogers and Redding make a great DT tandem, Cody has shown nothing, and there is nothing left at DT, no way we move Redding back. Swancutt hasn't played in a regualar season game yet... DE is arguably our biggest need. Devries is old and is and never will be anything more than a rotational guy.

Mr. Manning · 04-18-2007, 02:04 PM

Didn't the lions just trade for Rice?

OZZY · 04-22-2007, 12:56 PM

I updated my mock as of 4/22/07, thanks to being able to see a few prospects I was unable to watch before, I added a few safeties and cornerbacks.

I bleed Sooner red · 04-22-2007, 01:52 PM

During my interview (Tulsa radio) they were referencing to that you have Paul Smith going to the Texans...Smith isn't in the draft, he is a senior this next season.

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