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Old 09-18-2012, 09:41 AM   #11 (permalink)
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If Marino had the personal, he'd be in the discussion. Ask any defensive player in that era, who the toughest QB to play against and I'm willing to bet, Marino would get the highest %. With that said, Montana and Brady are at the top because of the rings they have.


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It's impossible to determine the best QB ever. There's just too many catagories to analyze.
Perhaps it might be better to look for the best QB of a certain era or by decade ect.
Dan Marino was great but never got the ring. Terry Bradshaw was great but only had a career completion percentage of 51.9 with a QB rating of 70.9

Roger Staubach
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Bart Starr
These guys stats aren't impressive by todays standards but they are among the greatest to ever play the game.
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It's impossible to determine the best QB ever. There's just too many catagories to analyze.
Perhaps it might be better to look for the best QB of a certain era or by decade ect.
Dan Marino was great but never got the ring. Terry Bradshaw was great but only had a career completion percentage of 51.9 with a QB rating of 70.9

Roger Staubach
Norm Van Brocklin
Otto Graham
Sid Luckman
Bart Starr
These guys stats aren't impressive by todays standards but they are among the greatest to ever play the game.

Couldn't agree more. Impossible to determine but can be entertaining for debate. Another guy you could throw into the discussion is Moon. Threw one of the prettiest passes you'll ever see. Who knows what kind of numbers he could have thrown up if he didn't go to the CFL. I believe if you add those yards and his NFL yards, he'd have the most.


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Another thing one should keep in mind is todays games are much more pass oriented then games from the 70s and before.
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It's been said before, but Joe Montana no doubt. He made the west coast offense what it is, and is 4-0 in the big game. Plus, his career wasn't too shabby either. He played in a different, tougher era and still managed to put up those numbers. Greatest QB of all time, no question.

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"Coward-ish?" He's played in five Superbowls. He's won 3. He's lead the greatest offense of all time (2007) to an undefeated regular season. He performs at an elite level in any weather, including blizzards. If he's "cowardly" what are you?
Spygate... End of the greatness debate. Had Joe had playbooks and video of the other teams and sabotaged other teams head gears to force them to call in plays with stolen signs, he'd have completly destroyed teams... I don't even want to think what Marino could have done.

Anyone can be great if they cheat. Anyone who wins is also great. It's the ones that win without cheating that are really great.
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It's been said before, but Joe Montana no doubt. He made the west coast offense what it is, and is 4-0 in the big game. Plus, his career wasn't too shabby either. He played in a different, tougher era and still managed to put up those numbers. Greatest QB of all time, no question.

I'm not about to get into the business of knocking Montana but I don't buy into the talking head BS that you have to have a perfect Superbowl record to knock on Montana's door. It's better to make it to the Superbowl and lose than not make it at all.All Brady needs is one more Superbowl win and he has his four rings, with two other appearances, countless records, and an undefeated 16-0 regular season to boot.

Listening to Skip Bayless' co-host (whats his face) sometimes you would think it's more admirable for a quarterback to go down in the wildcard round then lose in the Superbowl.
Brady takes one more ring he's won as many as Montana with two more appearances than him to boot. That beats winning four and getting knocked out earlier in the play offs.

Also, Montana had Rice and other weapons his entire career. Brady hasn't.

Imagine what Brady's numbers would look like if he had Randy Moss (a disciplined, harder working version like Rice even) from 2001 onward?
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Spygate... End of the greatness debate. Had Joe had playbooks and video of the other teams and sabotaged other teams head gears to force them to call in plays with stolen signs, he'd have completly destroyed teams... I don't even want to think what Marino could have done.

Anyone can be great if they cheat. Anyone who wins is also great. It's the ones that win without cheating that are really great.
Instead of using buzzwords like "Spygate" why don't you explain how exactly Brady knew everything another team was doing before it actually happened and applied the organization (like every other organization) taping other teams signals to an actual football game?

In other words, tell me how it all worked in detail. How it was put to use and implemented so that Brady could magically win Superbowl rings he didn't deserve because to be honest I think you're full of crap.

Jimmy Johnson said he did it. Lots of head coaches have come forward and said it was "wide spread" through out the NFL. Given all that, how do you know Montana DIDN'T? Because Mangini wasn't around with a grudge against him?

I'd really love to see you walk up to a guy like Tedy Bruschi and tell him to his face that you honestly don't believe he earned his rings. Deep down i'm sure you know it's a load of bull****.
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It's been said before, but Joe Montana no doubt. He made the west coast offense what it is, and is 4-0 in the big game. Plus, his career wasn't too shabby either. He played in a different, tougher era and still managed to put up those numbers. Greatest QB of all time, no question.
I watched might Joe in his hayday. He methodically diseceted defenses up and down the field. He was calm collected with pinpoint accuracy.
Simply amazing!!
Joe would get my vote for best of all time too.
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