P-Rez25

and while your at it the Pats can cut Brady and sign Ryan Leaf, Robert Craft sells the Pats to the Raiders, and move the Pats from New England to Mexico City...

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The-Hammer

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Greatest team of all time.

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TNdolfan54

thats not a bad idea. got any more?

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Stevemc

Pacman was charged with a crime, Pats spied on other teams.. Both are violations of NFL rules. As far as the NFL is concerned it can only punish people for violating their rules. Pacman has yet to be convicted by our legal system which means he's innocent until proven guilty last I checked. The Pats, on the other hand, destroyed evidence to prevent a full investigation by the league but was still found guilty. The nature of their violation of league rules should be taken into consideration to an extent but shouldn't the Pats be made an example of just like Pacman was for players? Thats how I think Goodell has to look at it if he's not going to draw a line in the sand with the NFLPA. The League is already constantly battling retired players who are unhappy on various issues they don't need to start upsetting current players with double standards.

Footbalmaster

Well obviously some people have a hard time reading and understanding facts. But I don't disagree that if they cheated again they should be punished. Second I said I felt Pacman was guilty. I never said he was convicted and I have every right to believe what I want. Do you believe OJ is guilty, or what about Roger Clemens? Next I would love to hear some facts saying the Patriots purposely destroyed information, because last I heard Goodell was the only person who had done that. And what do retired football players have to do with anything. If you want to talk about them create another thread.

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Stevemc

If you assume Pacman is guilty its the same as me assuming the Pats did the same thing anyone else would do with evidence of their own wrong doing... destroy it before its used against you.

Btw, when talking about the pats Retired players always have something to do with it since its the senior citizen bandwagon team where players grow old hoping to tag along for a last chance at a super bowl ring. Anyway, I was getting at the fact Goodell doesn't seem to care as much for the players as he does making the league money. By going easy on the Pats it didn't take away anything from them. A 1st rounder is bad to loose but the punishment came after the fact the Pats already had an additional 1st rounder. My Point is the Pats got a slap on the wrist when they should of been the example of. I know its rough to think everyone's new favorite team over the past couple years isn't as clean and whole sum as everyone thought. It's just so much easier to go after a guy like Pacman or Henry who have no sense and don't think about what they are doing and punish them for it VS punishing the team the league was playing up with their great attitude of take less money and play as a team. This whole situation casts a dark cloud over the NFL's latest Dynasty... Can we even call them that now that theres accusations they've cheated?

RoyWilliams

I must have missed this, please do tell.

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The-Hammer

Your blowing what the pats did way out of proportion. They did something that everyone does, and really, you crusade against them is a little stupid because of that.

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Stevemc

I'm blowing it out of proportion because thats what the league should of done. Just like everyone blows every little legal trouble a player out of proportion. Make an example out of them just like they did with Pacman. Plain and simple. I understand if the Tuck Rule and other special treatment has spoiled Pats fans but looks like it has finally caught up every football noob's favorite team.

You say every team does it but only one team was caught. Its not a crusade against the Patriots by any means, its a crusade for the fair punishment anywhere and everywhere. Don't crucify individual players for things technically none of the NFL's business, depending which state's labor laws you reference, then turn around and cave in when its something that is actually league related.

The-Hammer

It's one thing to break the law, it's wuite another to break a rule in a sport. Do you honestly think, if the pats were the only team to do this, they would have a guy taping 5 FEET AWAY FROM MANGINI? I don't think so. Belichick isn't retarded.

It looks like a crusade, you can't compare breaking a rule to a crime. You crucify a player who acts like a thug because this league is not for thugs too play in.

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