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the fact is the problems between the two date almost back to the day when Kiffin was hired a year ago, and they stem largely from young Kiffin’s eagerness to take the job that he took Davis’ word on certain promises about his responsibilities.Kiffin should have known better. He should have asked his dad’s boss, Jon Gruden, who could have told him how he agreed to a new contract in 2001, but then, when it came back to him for a signature, much of it had been changed.

Even Art Shell, a long-time Davis favorite, learned the lesson last year but was spared because contract language protected him. After firing Shell, Davis wanted him to work out the next year as the team’s offensive line coach, but language in Shell’s contract specifically outlined his duties as the head coach. Davis had to pay Shell off.

Now, Davis is trying to avoid paying off Kiffin, so he is trying to make his coach so miserable that he will quit after just one season. Published reports say Kiffin has two years at $2 million a year remaining on his contract, but a team source said there’s only one year remaining, at $1.7 million.

Logically – and when did logic ever apply to the Raiders – this must end with either a firing or a resignation because Davis and Kiffin can’t work together and neither can Kiffin and Rob Ryan, the defensive coordinator he tried to fire before Davis overruled him.
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http://www.mercextra.com/blogs/kawak...cuse-for-2008/

Lane Kiffin, to his credit, isn’t picking the easy, political, non-confrontational way to survive in Al Davis’ shadow.

Less than a year into his Raiders coaching career, Kiffin is picking the hard way, which is gutsy enough to show he deserves a nice spirited run and also arrogant enough to display why he might blow himself up in the process.

In other words: He’s not a patsy like Art Shell or Norv Turner, and he’s not nearly as accomplished as Jon Gruden.

Somewhere in between. Right now, Kiffin’s a bold young coach who’s only getting older and bolder. Which means he has a chance to make this work. The only chance you get under Al.

Immediately after finishing 4-12 in his otherwise fairly impressive rookie season as head coach, Kiffin is knocking around some of Davis’ favorite pins. He’s challenging the Davis status quo.

Mostly, Kiffin is maneuvering to unseat incumbent defensive coordinator Rob Ryan, one of the few defensive coaches in Raiders history to retain Davis’ backing over a long period.

That’d be quite a feat, if Kiffin can pull it off, and it does appear that he’s about to, even if it comes contrary to the general wishes of The Al.

“I didn’t know Lane had that kind of power,” one NFL source said wryly Tuesday when I asked if there was league scuttle-butt about Rob Ryan’s departure and eventual landing spot. “Are you sure that he does?”

That’s what we’re all here to find out.

Pending Al activity, apparently Kiffin does have that juice, or at least Al is letting us believe that Kiffin has it, since there has been no eruption out of Mt. Raider to indicate otherwise.

Hey, Kiffin showed a lot in his rookie year: He can lead, he can think, he’s not a flashy poser, he can be independent, he might turn out to be something.

But he only went 4-12. In a lot of places, that gets you fired. With the Raiders in 2007, it was a big push forward.

So Kiffin probably deserves to pick the key assistants on his staff. Few Raiders coaches get that right and very few get to over-rule AD on the defensive coordinator spot, since that’s the spot Al himself admits that interests him the most.

Just last year, Al helpfully pointed out that Bill Belichick knew that Al mostly plotted defense, as every Raiders defensive coordinator of the last 40 years would confirm.

Al hires offensive-minded coaches to be the head coach. Always. He thinks the offense has to be run by a top guy.

Then Al hires the defensive coordinator, sets up the system, reviews the whole thing on a daily/hourly basis and what we’ve seen through the years, pretty much every year, is:

* A big, four-man line.

* Very little blitzing.

* Versatile linebackers.

* Man to man coverage on the outside with fast cornerbacks.

* Hard-hitting safeties–or safeties who you’d think can hit hard if they could just get into a play without taking terrible angles.

That’s the Al formula. That’s what has driven so many other coordinators crazy over the years, especially the last decade or so.

But Al found a kindred spirit with Rob Ryan when he signed on after the Callahan purge.

Ryan could tinker with a 3-4 at times, but since he was bringing that from Belichick’s Patriots team, Al let him do it a little, as long as Rob switched back to 4-3 most of the time.

Ryan is a get-after-’em coach, who likes to play man-to-man on the outside and let his LBs chase down stuff from sideline to sideline–again, very much Al.

Ryan knows personnel–hello, Kirk Morrison–and Al loves that.

Ryan’s players love him, which Al really respects.

So if Kiffin wants something different, something more like what his dad Monte Kiffin runs in Tampa–the Cover 2, which is also a four-man line, but is much safer on the outside and is basically a bend-but-don’t-break model–then he should probably get it.

I doubt Monte himself would seriously contemplate moving from his base in Tampa to the Raiders, since:

* He already makes more money than Al would ever pay him (Monte makes more than Lane);

* He has a good thing in Tampa (even if Jon Gruden goes, Monte stays if he wants);

* And he’s 68, so why pick up and move across the country only to get bugged by Al every time the Raiders don’t hold the opponent under 300 yards?

But Kiffin should get his own guy, possibly running a Cover 2 style with more deep zones and his own personnel.

Still, it’s a risky proposition for Kiffin, for two reasons.

* Rob Ryan could be headed to the New York Jets, but I also heard he could be hearing from a lot of other teams. That wouldn’t be a surprise at all.

What if San Diego calls? Or Denver? Hmm, if Rob Ryan ends up at one of those two teams, and they do some Raider butt-kicking in 2008, Al is not going to like that.

And he is going to hold someone accountable and that person is going to be in Raider HQ, every day of his remaining Raider career.

* And what if the Raiders defense–which, I concede, wasn’t very good this season–falls apart in 2008? Which is very possible given the still-anemic state of the offense.

(That is another point: Kiffin’s an offensive guy, and that offense isn’t very good. I’ll give him a year or two to figure it out, but Rob Ryan is more accomplished in this league that Kiffin.)

If the new def-coor isn’t Monte Kiffin, it has to be somebody rising or somebody falling–you’re not going to get a good established guy to come into this situation, not with Al sitting there.

You’re going to get someone like Greg Knapp, who took a thankless job as Kiffin’s off-coor because he needed a job.

So if the defense falters–again, remember, the players love Ryan–then Kiffin isn’t going to look very good.

This year, when the defense gave up big plays, it was Ryan’s fault. Now, if Kiffin does a defense retro-fit… it’s on Kiffin.

That’s why this move is risky, why it’s bold, and why I’m sure Kiffin knows he has to do it–to maintain his independence–and I’m sure he knows it could get him fired.

I respect him for that. But that also means he’s treading into dangerous water.
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Old 03-24-2008, 11:17 AM   #33 (permalink)
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So far all we have backing that BS story is the same guy who said that it was "definite" that Les Miles would be coaching at Michigan.

The same guy who has gotten countless other stories wrong over the years as well.Why do you put so much stock in a BSPN report given their credibility problems?

Maybe its because you want to believe it?

Your source isnt with the team and has no insight.

But he gets gullible people like you to bite.

Maybe the fact that Kiffin is still there is my source.
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it was proven when it came out into the open about kiffen wanting to fire ryan and Davis not letting him. That is a fact. With a top DE prospect, that defense is going to be a serious monster. The offense is not there yet. Russell will struggle this year and I just hope you don't get your hopes up about Walker. There are a ton of ? about that team and there is no way that you can really be as arrogant as you are about where they currently stand, but you are a raider fan
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I am glad Kiffin didnt get his way.

I see no reason to scrap our defensive scheme in favor of a Tampa 2 2 deep scheme.

Al did the right thing and Kiffin, if he knows what is best for him, will concede.Its no secret that Al runs this organization and always will. I have no problem with it since every time he opens his wallet, we go to a SB. Its when he is cheap that we struggle.

Kiffin was on nobodys radar for a HC spot and if hes smart, he will play along. This is an opportunity for him to show what he can do.

I think the rumors of Kiffin taking a college job are what bothered Al. In every scuffle Al has had, loyalty is at the center of every beef. With Marcus Allen, Al was bothered by the media appearences where Allen moaned about the working conditions and his pay after Al tore up 2 contracts earlier. Then, he joined in on an optional NFLPA lawsuit against the owners. With Shanahan, it was the Rat firing all the old Raiders like Belitnekoff, Willie Brown, and Art Shell. With Gruden, it was the Notre Dame rumors that became a distraction.

Its always about loyalty with Al.

As long as our assistants stay, I could care less if Kiffin bolted.
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That's because Al is a senile and paranoid old man. He needs to give it up soon because they are starting to have expectations every year and not live up to them. There have been some majorly bad decisions made in recent raider history and most of them started off with people like yourself saying how great these moves were and this and that. I'll be the first to admit that I wanted Gibril Wilson, but don't be shocked if he doesn't play up to his contract. No one here is a prognosticator with 100% accuracy, but the recent history of the Raiders can't have you boasting like you are going to control the AFC or even your division.
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Not that tired old "empty" argument again?

His incompetence had us in the SB just five years ago.

If thats incompetent, then what do you call what most other owners have done?

Like most, you hold Al to a double standard than other owners who apparently arent senile.

That senile line hurts your credibility it is so lame.

What reason do you give for thinking Wilson wont live up to expectations?

Back it up for crying out loud but just saying Al is senile is lame.

You act as if hes the only owner to ever have 5 down years after a SB trip.

Lame!
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im not talking about 5 years ago, Im talking about in the present dude. It is not just me, its players and coaches that have worked with him. Stop living in the past

Just 5 years ago. LOL What is their record since that superbowl? Please enlighten me.

I just find it odd that the Giants didn't franchise a player at a position that immediately becomes a need.

Im talking how the dude has not only had 5 down years since the superbowl, he has had 5 years filled with some seriously questionable moves.

You whole aregument has been that he isn't old and senile and how lame that is. I have provided documentation that contradicts some of your statements and you do not return to them. that's what I call lame, lol


At least you argue, some people just post one line meaningless responses, I do appreciate that
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Prof, again

Dorsey and Ellis are
1- both supiror prospects to Gholston
2- help the Raiders wayyyyyyyyy more than Gholston would
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some may say that I overvalue Gholston a little, but dude is a monster. they need help at DT and DE. They signed Kelly to 50 million and have nothing - NOTHING at DE. Some may agree with you about Dorsey or Ellis being "superior" to gholston, but the gap is not as wide as you think and Gholston will certainly help them.
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