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03-26-2008, 11:35 PM
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You said they were a great rushing team, not me. I have never seen a team rush for so many yards yet lose so many games. explain that one to me. There were games I watched where culpepper or whoever they threw out there just couldn't get anything done. of the top ten teams in rushing, they were 9th in average. point being if you rush enough, then you will rack up the yards. Tenn had more rushing yards, do you consider them a GREAT rushing team. I doubt it. They were 6th in rushing, but 25th overall. Wouldn't this GREAT rushing team have been able to exploit the rushing game to open up the passing game. Puhlease, rushing twice for 8 yards and then incompleting a pass does not make a rushing team GREAT
for coaches it's about winning and milestones, but for rushing its all about stats, pick a position and stick to it friend.
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03-27-2008, 12:47 AM
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uhh, sapp retired dude. Dline has to be the first pick, HAS TO, but I would not be shocked to see them take McFadden
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I knew you would say that. I was referring to gerard warren who came over last year from denver. Hello mcfly! see you dont keep up with us like i thought so.
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03-27-2008, 04:00 AM
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If you dont have speed outside that can exploit the man coverage that rushing the ball brings, that would explain the lack of ability to get the ball downfield.
This is elementary.
Im not calling you challenged because you DISAGREE with me. Im calling you that because you dont seem to understand some very basic football stuff.
I never saiuds they were a great rushing team but they were ranked. But I love how you agreed that a system switch every year would effect a player but them completely dismissed it when you spoke of gallery.
Gallery played well last year dude.
The switch to guard was brilliant and big reason why we ran so well between the center and the A gaps.
Now that we have our speed wide, I expect us to be able to exploit things because we wont see all those 8 & 9 man fronts this year.
The Chargers were sticking 8 and 9 guys in the box, showing multiple looks, and stressing our pass protection right before the snap.
Let them try that this year.
Teams wont have that luxury any more.
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03-27-2008, 09:11 AM
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Mcfadden has never carried the ball at the pro level and youve already annointed him a game breaking back?
How do you know who the answer is?
You seem to be forgetting a few things here my football challenged friend. Just like Robert Gallerys critics rip him for being a bust but fail to mention the team has had 4 run & pass blocking schemes in the last 5 years. When Fargas and Gallery were drafted, they had Bill Callahan runnign a hybrid man/zone blocking scheme. Then, Norv brought in Bob Colletto who installed a pure zone scheme. Then, Art Shell went to a pure man scheme. Now, we are running a zone/read scheme.
That effects everyone and that includes Fargas.
We had one of the best rushing attacks in the NFL last year.Yet, when you allow 150-200 yards rushing week in and week out, youre not going to win in the NFL.
Drafting McFadden wouldnt change that.
But shouldnt you wait to see him play at the pro level first?
Youre way ahead of yourself here dude.
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i give you 7 examples of what happened when a team with X amount of holes drafts the best RB in that given year and you give me this. no my friend its you who needs to go do the homework. great rushing teams dont lose games. i guess nobody needed to go look at Adrian Petersons college film either right to see that he had the potential to be a game breaking back. none of those guys the Raiders have now can consistently get 1st downs just like Prof said ^^^, thats why a guy like McFadden is needed.
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03-27-2008, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Da Swami
If you dont have speed outside that can exploit the man coverage that rushing the ball brings, that would explain the lack of ability to get the ball downfield.
This is elementary.
Im not calling you challenged because you DISAGREE with me. Im calling you that because you dont seem to understand some very basic football stuff.
I never saiuds they were a great rushing team but they were ranked. But I love how you agreed that a system switch every year would effect a player but them completely dismissed it when you spoke of gallery.
Gallery played well last year dude.
The switch to guard was brilliant and big reason why we ran so well between the center and the A gaps.
Now that we have our speed wide, I expect us to be able to exploit things because we wont see all those 8 & 9 man fronts this year.
The Chargers were sticking 8 and 9 guys in the box, showing multiple looks, and stressing our pass protection right before the snap.
Let them try that this year.
Teams wont have that luxury any more.
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the Chargers do that against everybody and Javon Walker isnt gonna make us change our blitz schemes, ask Denver. that and you clearly forgot who is in our secondary.
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03-27-2008, 12:30 PM
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Gallery was a bust because he was drafted to be a franchise LT. He is a good guard, but that means he should have been drafted in round 2-3. Not at the top of the draft. That is a bust, nufced
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03-28-2008, 07:22 PM
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Busts are usually gone by now.
You and so many other fans throw that word around all to loosely.
As for the question of McFadden?
We had a good rushing attack last year and the your clearly imagined lack of rushing threat wasnt why we struggled to get the ball downfield. We had a huge need at Tackle and that was addressed. When a team can force your QB to roll to his non throwing side and cut the field in half as he attempts to escape the backside pressure, your secondary is aided big time. Blitz angles dictatecoverages and it wont be so easy to dictate4 this year like it has in years past. Kwame Harris is a good fit in this scehem and is a huge upgrade over Sims. Last year, we were also learning a new scheme in both pass blocking and run blocking.
All those exampl;es and stats dont apply here with this team if McFadeen is running into 8 and 9 man fronts. Speed outside dictates that defenses must play more zone coveragfes or at leat man with a safety over the top. The Chargers, and lots of teams ran man free coverages with their corners.
Mark my words, Javon Walker and Drew Carter will change that. If they dont respect it, the TE can have a huge day and so can the backs.
The reason SD did that stuff to us is because they had no reason to fear anybody beating them deep. They do not do that against everybody as you claim. I live in SD and watch almost every game and thats BS.
They know its risky business with speed outside.
Who are you kidding?
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03-28-2008, 10:28 PM
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Javon Walker and Drew Carter instills fear in NO ONE!!
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03-29-2008, 08:52 AM
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you guys had a ton of yards rushing, because you could NOT pass the ball. The passing attack was atrocious. I agree that switching schemes can hurt the progress of a line and cohesiveness with the skill position players, but Gallery was drafted to be a star Tackles and is a guard, no matter how you slice it, that is a bust.
I would think that most on here would agree that taking mcfadden would not be the correct move for the Raiders, but just as you say "how do we know who will be a great RB?" I say how can you be 100% sure that won't draft McFadden.
There is no need to call everyone lame or football challenged because they disagree with you, that is shortsighted and a bit ignorant, try being a little more open minded to others opinions and have some constructive conversation. the only thing useless remarks do is make you look foolish
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Lol, he's a raider fan, let him vent.
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So teams thatstruggle to getthe ball downfield suddenly become great rushing teams?
Please dude, youre embarassing yourself.
Teams that struggle to get the ball downfield see tons of 8 and 9 man fronts which makes running the ball more difficult.
Duh!
Im losing respect for you fast my frien and I dont respond to those I dont respect.
Comments like that render you irrelevant.
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Hey. everyone is entitled to an opinion. Don't be surprised if some one disagrees with you. Your suppose to disscuss football here, not say I'm right, you're wrong then cover your ears. Discuss.
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03-29-2008, 02:40 PM
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people who live in a black hole tend to not have the best conversation skills
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