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**P-Rez25** · 03-31-2008, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Da Swami

Busts are usually gone by now.

You and so many other fans throw that word around all to loosely.

As for the question of McFadden?

We had a good rushing attack last year and the your clearly imagined lack of rushing threat wasnt why we struggled to get the ball downfield. We had a huge need at Tackle and that was addressed. When a team can force your QB to roll to his non throwing side and cut the field in half as he attempts to escape the backside pressure, your secondary is aided big time. Blitz angles dictatecoverages and it wont be so easy to dictate4 this year like it has in years past. Kwame Harris is a good fit in this scehem and is a huge upgrade over Sims. Last year, we were also learning a new scheme in both pass blocking and run blocking.

All those exampl;es and stats dont apply here with this team if McFadeen is running into 8 and 9 man fronts. Speed outside dictates that defenses must play more zone coveragfes or at leat man with a safety over the top. The Chargers, and lots of teams ran man free coverages with their corners.

Mark my words, Javon Walker and Drew Carter will change that. If they dont respect it, the TE can have a huge day and so can the backs.

The reason SD did that stuff to us is because they had no reason to fear anybody beating them deep. They do not do that against everybody as you claim. I live in SD and watch almost every game and thats BS.

They know its risky business with speed outside. Who are you kidding?

please dont act like just because you live in SD and you watch all of their games that now your an expert. you seem to forget that there was this lil invention by DirectTV called NFL Sunday Ticket that allows you to watch ALL of the NFL games. this isnt 1979. sound like that your a closet Charger fan since you watch all of their games when the Raiders play almost everygame at the same time. as for your speed at WR theory, i was more worried about Jerry Porter than Javon Walker, please i invite you to go find another Charger fan that is worried about Javon Walker. whatever speed the Raiders do get because A. hes not faster than Cromartie and B. hes not faster than Cromartie. stop kiddin your self already.

**P-Rez25** · 03-31-2008, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Da Swami

Im not criticizing because someone has a different opinion than me.

Im doing it because some dont understand how the game is played. I played FS in college and never had to cover a WR over the top of a CB because he "struck fear" into me. All he had to have was the ability to get seperation on the CB.

One can get seperation in a whole myriad of ways.

If a WR can do that, you wont have the luxury of playing man free coverages using your safeties man under and causing presnap confusion.

This is ultra basic stuff man and its not my "opinion"

The past few years have seen the Raiders with slow WRs that allowed the bolts to play a ton of cover one and man free coverages. That is due to the lack of speed at WR.
The fact is that we have WRs that are faster than last years were.

If you think that Ted Cottrell wont notice and respect that, you are not capable of taking off your Raider hater glasses.

He will.

Trust me....he will.

If he doesnt, then he leaves his defense vulnerable in a big way.

You guys played a lot of man free on BOTH our WRs last year. Just forcing one safety to play a deep zone leaves one less back seven defender in the box.

I hop to God that TC thinks he can still go man free with both CBs.
Please Ted Please.....

HAHAHAHAHAHA they had Randy Moss for years and now they never had speed at WR. im not even gonna take you serious anymore after that one lol. there is a reason why we play like that Jammer is one of the best cover corners in the league and Cromartie speaks for himself. your are just proving how ill informed you are every day. Javon Walker instead of Randy Moss with pretty much the same WRs now the Raiders are faster at WR lol lol lol

**Professor** · 03-31-2008, 09:50 PM

Prez, do you like how I posted my crucifixion of the Raiders rushing game and it sent the schwam into silence

**P-Rez25** · 04-01-2008, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Professor

Prez, do you like how I posted my crucifixion of the Raiders rushing game and it sent the schwam into silence

oh yeah lol, he really thinks that the the Raiders' new recieving corps is better and faster than when they had Randy Moss and Co. lol and now Javon Walker is the answer to keep teams from blitzing the hell outta the Raiders lol

daddy primetime42 · 04-01-2008, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Professor

if you rush alot you get yards, nufced

Al Doesn't draft based on speed guys huh? what about - Phillip Buchanon, Nnamd Asomugha, Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt, Thomas Howard, Quentin Moses, Johnnie Lee Higgins, and John Bowie - sometimes it works, sometimes it don't

Teams that get a lot of rushing yards usually win, unless it's a fluke see above

I avoid? more like you do that backpeddler, you said Al Davis is tired of losing after 5 years, why did it take that long?

you said that if you can't rush inside then you cannot run outside, well usually teams that run well parley that into a good passing game, that didn't happen another sign the rushing was a fluke stat

you base soo much on the fact that you went from the bottom of the league to the top of the league in rushing

you know what separtated 6th in rushing from 24th in rushing a measely 30+ yards a game, your 6th in rushing is meaningless, it's what lies under those stats - like of the top rushing teams, they had the second lowest average per rush

lets break it down game by game

92 against detroit - weak - 23rd against the run
200 against Denver who was known to be HORRIFIC against the run last year 30th in the league
186 against CLE - 27th in the league against the run
299 against MIA - 32 against the run
53 against SD - where is the juggernaut rushing team against an actual defender 16th against the run
55 against KC - terrible effort against the 28th ranked team against the run
92 against TENN havent broken 100 in 3 weeks now
153 against HOU 19th against the run - lost the game - couldn't pass MCCown 48% completion - 3 picks
113 against Chicago - 30 yards by the QB McCown Scrambling only 83 by the RB's in that game another poor game
61 against minn #1 run defense stop this team
153 against KC - much better this time against one of the worst run defenses in the league
175 against Denver but everyone was running on them again 30th in the league
85 against GB 14th in the league
149 against Indy 15th in the league but they lost and it took nearly 40 attempts
110 against JAX who already had their playoffs set and it still took 30 attempts
122 in a meaningless game against SD who played no one and still lost

The only game where this "good" rushing game did anything worthwhile was against Indy in a game where it took almost 40 attempts (39) to get 149 yards in a blowout loss.

The Raiders racked up the yards against the terrible teams

1315 yards in 7 games against some of the worst rush defenses in the league for an average of 187 yds per game against those terrible teams

In the other 9 games they had 771 yards for an average of a meager 86/yds a game. Isn't that about what they averaged last year when Denver's and KC's run defenses were much better and you didn't get to put up 300 on a pitiful miami team

That 300 yards rushing against Miami really boosted the stats, didn't it

You see that means those rushing stats you hold so dear are crap. Not to mention that nearly 200 of those yards were on rushes by the QB when PASSING BROKE DOWN.

You see when you break it down you can really appreciate the sucktitude of the Raiders

Whats your point? All I see, is us rushing the ball against the teams we were suppose to pound on. The last game was not meaningless to san diego they had to beat us to get the titans at home instead of jacksonville. Fargas was out for the last two games and lamont was the starter for the first four weeks, Rhodes was out for four games and yet they still ended up 6th in the league in rushing what if Fargas had started all season? who knows we could of been first but it doesnt matter.
Last season was last season we had 2 mediocre QB's no kind of passing game. So we played to our strength hopefully Russell can change that. if Fargas can get those kind of yards with the Raider O-line, Imagine what McFadden will do next season. I remember Peterson single handedly beating san Diego.
I hate to agree with proff about gallery he was suppose to be a monster and he's not, he was suppose to take care of the Qb's blindside and shut down the best ends in the league. He is just a good run blocker. The passing game will be better but we wont know until the season starts Swami you are just speculating like The proff does. Let us go through training camp first and then we can analize who is playing where. Walker and drew are good additions but the truth is walker is injury proned and carter is still young.
What im saying is there are to many questions before we can start talking about beating the Chargheless. And im just hoping we get McFadden,in reality anybody in the top five will help us out immensely.

**Professor** · 04-01-2008, 04:57 PM

DP, that is maybe the most diplomatic post you have ever made, lol

My point was the AWESOME rushing stats don't tell the whole story. In ten games against teams where a good running game would have still done their $hit, they didn't. In fact they did just as the same as the previous year.

a few of those defenses couldn't stop me last year (den,mia, etc)

Da Swami · 04-02-2008, 06:22 AM

You continue to give yourself away by implying that speed is the only way a WR can get seperation.

That is the logic of somebody who has never played football.

You show your ignorance with comments like that.

I made it clear that speed without an O line is worthless if you want to get the ball downfield.Our O line was a mess when Moss was here but thats not the case now.

Now address the part about our O line being a sieve when we only gave up 38 sacks last year and added 2 O linemen.

Blitzing the hell out of us?

If your corners are all that, and our O line is a sieve like you claim, why do you need to blitz? The Chargers employ the zone blitz and anybody who knows what that is knows that an agressive ZB that shows no respect for the run, will get burned time and time again with the run. The ZB drops O linemen into coverage and leaves huge holes to run through. If you knew your team, and the game as well as you claim to, you would know all this.

This is ultra basic stuff that you dont comprehend. Some in here dont know the game well enough to comprehend my posts so they say dumb things like that.

Good team dont blitz very often. If you have to blitz, then you arent all youre telling me that you are.

So now I have 2 football know nothings to deal with huh?

Im toying with you and if you knew how ignorant you sound, you would be embarrased.

You would have to know the game to feel embarrassed though.

**P-Rez25** · 04-02-2008, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Da Swami

You continue to give yourself away by implying that speed is the only way a WR can get seperation.

That is the logic of somebody who has never played football.

You show your ignorance with comments like that.

I made it clear that speed without an O line is worthless if you want to get the ball downfield.Our O line was a mess when Moss was here but thats not the case now.

Now address the part about our O line being a sieve when we only gave up 38 sacks last year and added 2 O linemen.

Blitzing the hell out of us?

If your corners are all that, and our O line is a sieve like you claim, why do you need to blitz? The Chargers employ the zone blitz and anybody who knows what that is knows that an agressive ZB that shows no respect for the run, will get burned time and time again with the run. The ZB drops O linemen into coverage and leaves huge holes to run through. If you knew your team, and the game as well as you claim to, you would know all this.

This is ultra basic stuff that you dont comprehend. Some in here dont know the game well enough to comprehend my posts so they say dumb things like that.

Good team dont blitz very often. If you have to blitz, then you arent all youre telling me that you are.

So now I have 2 football know nothings to deal with huh?

Im toying with you and if you knew how ignorant you sound, you would be embarrased.

You would have to know the game to feel embarrassed though.

newsflash you arent the only person on this site that played football, most everyone here played some kind of organized football at any level so stop acting like you are the only person in the world that has ever picked up a football. nobody brought up the speed issue until you did, you said the Raiders never had speed at WR but you seem to forget that Randy Moss is one of the fastest recievers ever. you also forget that sacks isnt the whole story in determining how good an offensive line is, you forget that putting pressue on the QB usually means you get a knockdown, batted balls, etc. just because the Raiders gave up less sacks than the previous year doesnt mean that they instantly became one of the best o-lines in the league, it just means they marginally improved. the very same rejects that sucked under Art Shell just sucked less under Lane Kiffen. and in case you didnt know when teams run a 3-4 defense the ONLY way you can get pressure is to blitz. you better go look at some stats before you open your mouth. last time i checked the Chargers were among the league leaders in sacks. the only team in the league that can generate pressure without blitizing is the Giants because of that amazing front 4. early in the season Cottrel used the zone blitz by dropping Merriman, Phillips, etc. into zone coverage and we started out 1-3, when he finally figured out how to blitz like Wade Phillips did last year the defense started getting pressure and started to force teams to give up the ball. and in case you didnt know you need good corners to constantly bring pressure, all the good blitizing teams have good man to man corners which is necessary especially in a 3-4.

Da Swami · 04-02-2008, 07:29 PM

Where do I start with you?

Your post is full of misinformation.

If you played ball, why dont you know basic stuff?

Hurries, knockdowns, and all that crap was down too. But that doesnt explain how we ran the ball so well if our O line is so bad? Teams cant run between the tackles with shaky O lines.

Youre full of inconsistencies.

The O line that played under Shell isnt even the same line we had last year. Carlisle, Green and Newberry were added so what do you mean when you say the same rejects?

This year we added Harris and Wade so that only leaves Gallery as the remaining player on that 2006line so your facts are way way way off.

So with a 3-4, you cant get pressure without a blitz?

Really?

Thats news to me.

Using a LB as a pass rusher out of a 3-4 isnt blitzing. Blitzing is when you leave a matchup disadvantage downfield and sending a LB out of a 3-4 doesnt do that junior.

Its still a 4 man rush.

That still leaves a 7 on 7 matchup downfield so how is that blitzing?

Somebody is confused about football I see?

This is basic stuff man.

Nice try though but weak because you dont explain how we ranked as a rushing team last year given our line.

Weak Chief!

How can I take you serious when you dont even know the definition of a blitz?

**Professor** · 04-02-2008, 08:50 PM

not one response of how I put to shame the rushing game of the Raiders. You are hilarious

That hole is getting deeper buddy

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