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Old 09-03-2007, 08:50 PM   #21 (permalink)
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One thing I do agree with you on is the postion that we are normally drafting from. It would be a different story if we had a few top 5-10 picks on the roster. Either way, we'll soon see how improved this defense will be.
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Old 09-03-2007, 09:35 PM   #22 (permalink)
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also, we were continually thrashed by injury on D-line especially, which allowed us to find some other talent like Thomas, and Cole. We were soft up the middle at times, but when healthy I remember holding LT to 7 yards a couple of seasons ago. Health is a big factor for every team in the league.
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Old 09-04-2007, 09:24 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Lets look at the defensive players drafted in the Reid era - not counting 7th round reaches

2007
Victor Abiamiri - showing promise
Stewart Bradley - showing promise
CJ Gaddis - too early to tell
Rashad Barksdale - too early to tell
we'll see with abiamiri. bradley showing promise ? yeah against guys that aren't on nfl rosters for the most part. gaddis & barksdale were cut by the way. grade (d-)


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2006
Broderick Bunkley - starter and will show his worth this year
Chris Gocong - starter
Omar Gaither - starter
LaJuan Ramsey - played awesome when called upon, especially for a 6th round pick
being a starter means squat if you do not perform. grade (c)

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2005
Mike Patterson - starter
Matt McCoy - bust
Sean Considine - has been starter - plays well at times but is inconsitent
Trent Cole - starter - came into his own last year
considine is crap. patterson like some other starters need to prove they can perform. grade (c-)

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Matt Ware - bust
JR Reed - awesome return guy until injury - not EAGLES fault - not drafted for defense
Dexter Wynn - bust
if reed wasn't drafted for the denfense he doesn't go on this list. grade (f)

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2003
Jerome McDougle - injury prone and shot in stomach - not EAGLES fault
Jamaal Greene - bust
the eagles drafted mcdougle, so regardless of the injuries they have to take the blame. grade (f)

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2002
Lito Sheppard - starter - pro bowl
Michael Lewis - starter - starter for another team now - pro bowl
Sheldon Brown - starter - pro bowl
great draft. grade (a++)

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2001
Quinton Caver - bust
Derrick Burgess - starter - starts somewhere else - pro bowl
pro-bowl wasn't for the eagles. grade (d)

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2000
Corey Simon - starter and was awesome for us - pro bowl
you must be joking, he was awesome ??? lmao. one good year does not add up to awesome. grade (c)

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1999
Barry Gardner - starter for us
Damon Moore - bust
gardner was a starter, whoppie doo, he was so good that the eagles kept him right ? grade (f)

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25 picks - 4 from this year that are not on a list yet, so out of 21 picks you have 13 good or above players, 12 Starters, 5 pro bowlers, 6 busts and 2 lost to injuries

as unpredictable as draft picks can be. I would say that the EAGLES have done an AWESOME job.
put the green kool aid down son. again, becoming a starter means nothing if you're defense is getting demolished on a weekly basis. reid's drafts have been average or below for the most part. if not for mcnabb in 99 and the 02 draft it would be even worse.

c'mon professor, first you don't even remember the fact that the eagles had drafted "several" db's since 02 and now this ? where did you get your degree ?

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Old 09-04-2007, 09:39 AM   #24 (permalink)
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guess I shut everyone up on this one, lol
if you call posting extreme reaches shutting everyone up then yeah.
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you blame the EAGLES for injuries and what a player becomes after the draft, when the draft is about evaluating talent. The numbers and facts speak for themselves. your "special" opinions and "grades" are your own opinion, now matter how ridiculous.

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25 picks - 4 from this year that are not on a list yet, so out of 21 picks you have 13 good or above players, 12 Starters, 5 pro bowlers, 6 busts and 2 lost to injuries

as unpredictable as draft picks can be. I would say that the EAGLES have done an AWESOME job.

That speaks for itself, aside from you giving maybe the most pessimistic view that I have ever seen from an EAGLES fan (and that's saying something). You give the guys from last year no time to show who they are, yeah you can tell how a player is going to be from a handful of games, why haven't the EAGLES hired you then, if you are the expert. LOL

The EAGLES have had more players worth something than not, way more. Pro Bowlers and starters. Don't let your disdain for me cloud your love for the EAGLES. There are teams and coaches that would love to have the ratio the EAGLES have in drafting players on offense and defense.

I think the team that has won as many games as the EAGLES have have done a few things right in drafting defense. No one can predict injuries or getting shot in the stomach. Let's see if Gocong and Gaither can perform before YOU DEEM them bad. LOL
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you blame the EAGLES for injuries and what a player becomes after the draft, when the draft is about evaluating talent. The numbers and facts speak for themselves. your "special" opinions and "grades" are your own opinion, now matter how ridiculous.
right and the numbers and facts show that reid has not done an "awesome" job drafting. the eagles defensives stats have been not been anything to brag about.

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That speaks for itself, aside from you giving maybe the most pessimistic view that I have ever seen from an EAGLES fan (and that's saying something). You give the guys from last year no time to show who they are, yeah you can tell how a player is going to be from a handful of games, why haven't the EAGLES hired you then, if you are the expert. LOL
whoa there bub, this discussion was about how the draft picks look up to this point and there's no need to get personal here just because someone is disagreeing with your opinions.

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The EAGLES have had more players worth something than not, way more. Pro Bowlers and starters. Don't let your disdain for me cloud your love for the EAGLES. There are teams and coaches that would love to have the ratio the EAGLES have in drafting players on offense and defense.
there you go again with this silly notion that i have an issue with you simply because my opinion differs from yours. also, you keep going on with this "starter" thing, what difference does it make when said startes were part of one of the worst defensive units in football ?

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I think the team that has won as many games as the EAGLES have have done a few things right in drafting defense. No one can predict injuries or getting shot in the stomach. Let's see if Gocong and Gaither can perform before YOU DEEM them bad. LOL
newflash, mcdougle wasn't producing worth a crap before the ijuries or the unfortunate incident with him being shot.

listen - you could learn from others if you just put aside this little pride issue you have.
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I do learn a lot from others, just not people who have this high and mighty act, and you talk about a pride issue, LOL.

I know you have an issue with me for what you have said, or are you going to deny that too, LOL

I get it, if I guy doesn't produce within a few games then you label them a bust, I see now and you call me shortsighted, that is hilarious.

I got news for you, not every player that gets drafted turns out to be a star, teams hope to get starters, especially after the first round. There have been a bunch of injuries to the front seven over the last two years that have hurt their defense and defensive stats as a whole, but when there are all together, they play well. They did hold LT to 7 yards a couple years ago.

I think that you just need to be a little more patient with the young players before you declare them garbage.

I never said Andy Reid was a perfect coach at all and also never got personal, don't get defensive on me, now, lol I was just sarcastically pointing out that there was no way you could tell how good or bad a young player was GOING to be in the FUTURE from a handful of games.

IF you have soooo much knowledge, how about making some posts elsewhere except for one thread on a site that you supposedly hate, LOL
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Also Smeagle when you compare how good a starter is then say how well the whole UNIT does...it sounds kind of silly...

I wonder how many head coaches would like to have drafted that many starters...
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I know BB, like if the player doesn't become a star, then they are a bust, and again im shortsighted, LMAO!!!
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becoming a starter means nothing if you're defense is getting demolished on a weekly basis.


That's where I stop lol.

I hear you Ellis, if the guy is JUST going to be a starter in the NFL he is nothing if the WHOLE D stinks..
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