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03-23-2008, 05:44 PM
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Hmm?
Let me see now?
SB rings - 0
SB trips-0
Playoff trips-4
Sorry, but hes not worthy by anybodys standards.
He didnt even coach long enough to be considered.
Please...lets keep the HOF sacred for those who are worthy.
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03-23-2008, 09:35 PM
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If superbowl trips and wins were the determining factor then there would a lot of HOF's removed.
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03-24-2008, 08:56 AM
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Even if Coach Coryell hasn't won a Super Bowl, he brought Air Coryell to San Diego and made Dan Fouts a well-known name in San Diego.
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03-24-2008, 09:09 AM
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Quote:
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If superbowl trips and wins were the determining factor then there would a lot of HOF's removed.
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exactly if it wasnt for Coryell, guys like Mike Martz wouldnt have jobs
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03-26-2008, 03:43 AM
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He didnt hit any milestones.
He didnt have historic influence over the modern passing game like Sid Gilman or Bill Walsh.
He had some great offenses but what next?
Ernie Zampese for the Hall?
I see no reason why he should be inducted and nobody has given me any either.
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03-26-2008, 09:03 PM
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The San Diego Chargers of the late 1970s and early ‘80s featured one of the most explosive and exciting offenses that ever set foot on an NFL field. The unit became known as “Air Coryell” because of the passing attack devised by head coach Don Coryell.
I think that counts as having a little influence and being somewhat innovative, lol The guy was a genius, he didn't even use a playbook and orchestrated one of the all time passing attacks the game has ever seen. He also developed Coaches such as John Madden, Joe Gibbs, Jim Hanifan, Rod Dowhower, and Ernie Zampese. The guy made the I Formation Popular for crying out loud. Swami, I think you are the misinformed one about Coryell not being a great mind in the annals of football history.
Some even say Coryell started the beginings of the West Coast System:
Coryell won more than 100 games both as a pro and a college coach, still the only man to do so. But try to find a coach today who hasn't been affected by Coryell and I'll show you one who isn't working. Coaches have picked his pockets for 45 years. And we're not just talking about the passing game, in which his only historical peer was Sid Gillman. Coryell changed the way defenses operate. Why do you suppose mass substitutions came about? My, teams hated to play Coryell.
Bill Walsh? Great coach. Given credit for the West Coast offense.
"Coryell developed the tight end as a wide receiver," said Buchanon, simply the finest college cornerback I've seen. "The West Coast system? That's Coryell's system."
Fred Dryer's thoughts
"I don't know what constitutes the proper pedigree," Dryer said. "I'll have to ask the guys in the clubhouse. But, as far as deeds go, he has had as much impact on the game as anybody in the Hall of Fame. It's not just about wins, but excellence. If it were just about wins, 95 percent of the people in the Hall wouldn't be there."
Don Coryell has the papers, the proper pedigree. Canton is missing a bust.
Dont let your charger hate misguide to speaking incorrectly, NUFCED!!!
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03-26-2008, 10:48 PM
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Coryell ran a hybrid version of Sid Gilmans offense.
He didnt develop Joe Gibbs either. Gibbs coached for Gilman with Chuck Noll, Al Davis,and Coryell.
He didnt revolutionize anything. He taught others a system that was taught to him. Lots of guys have done that.You are confusing him with Sid Gilman who was the father of the modern AFL passing game. Sid taught Al Davis who taught Bill Walsh. Walsh learned from Davis when he was a QB coach for Al in 1963. He then used Paul Browns run blocking schemes and morphed it into what we now call the West Coast Offense.
Sid Gilman and Al Davis were credited with the development of the WCO as was stated by Bill Walsh in his HOF induction speech.
Coryells fingerprints are nowhere to be found on the WCO and his philosophy doesnt even resemble WCO principles.He contributed to it by using the TE more in the downfield passing game but his contributions are just that, contributions but not the blueprint for the scheme.
But as usual, when you cant argue, you attempt to marginalize my opinion by calling it Charger hate.
Sid Gilman coached the Bolts right?
Did you read where I gave him lots of praise?
Im not saying Coryell wasnt a good coach and a great offensive mind, but absent the milestones, I need more than just him taking some of Sid Gilmans ideas and expand.ing on them.
Thats what he did but that doesnt warrant the same respect that gilman and Walsh deserve.
The mass substitutions started in the 70s when offenses adjusted to what Bill Arnsparger and Joe Collier were doing with mixing up 4-3 and 3-4 fronts.That was forced on him by the introduction of nickel and dime packages that inserted extra DBs to stop the 3 WR sets that were the norm in that era on 3rd down.
You are badly misinformed.
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03-26-2008, 11:00 PM
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then by your account Gilmen and couple of the originals are the only coaches that are truly great ones because everyone after that has been merely tinkerers. Seriously dude. Coryell is a legend and definitely contributed much to the development of coaches and offensive schemes
like I said dude popularized the I formation, revolutionized the use of the TE position and you say Gilmen made the WCO, give me a break. Gilmen is a legend, but doesn't deserve credit for everything that came after him. Coryell was a genius that like I said before could run an explosive offense with players HE coached and coaches HE groomed. Everyone has a mentor or someone they strive to be, but Coryell has done more than enough to garner a bust in Canton
The guy developed the TE in the passing game while at SDSU where he came up with much of his schemes years before he came to the nfl.
Dan Fouts on Coryell:
"He contributed to the game of Pro Football, the way it is played today. He influenced offensive AND defensive football because if you are going to have 3 or 4 recievers out there you better have an answer for it on the other side of the ball. If it wasn't for Don, I wouldn't be in the Hall of Fame."
St. Louis Rams Head Coach Mike Martz on Coryell:
"Don is the father of the modern passing game. People talk about the 'West Coast' offense, but Don started the 'West Coast' decades ago and kept updating it. You look around the NFL now, and so many teams are running a version of the Coryell offense. Coaches have added their own touches, but it's still Coryell's offense. He has disciples all over the league. He changed the game."
We as fans of the San Diego Chargers and the National Football League would like Don Coryell to be considered for induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
the mass substitutions line came from a player he coached Willie Buchanon, but Im sure you know more because you played in the NFL and have such a hands on experience
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03-26-2008, 11:07 PM
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Martz is flat out wrong.
He needs to go back a few more years. People have borrowed his ideas where Bill Walsh changed the way both offense AND defense were played. Other coaches diod more than jusrt "borrow" from Walsh. Where do you think the zone blitz originated? I never said he didnt contribute. But all those other coaches you mentioned won SBs and hit milestones.
Lots of offensive coordinators developed succesful concepts but I know of no OC's that are in the HOF.
All the other guys you mentioned put dynasties together.
Not enough which is why hes not in now.
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