Lord Odin

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It's not like Dunn is some geriatric *******, and aside from the year he got hurt he's got better every year.

AF4

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mattlanta @ Aug 23rd ) [snapback]1674745[/snapback]</div>There is nothing wrong with a scrambler at QB. Yes McNabb was/is, so is Culpeper. The difference between Culpeper and McNabb is that they can accuartely hit a moving target down the field, Vick still has problems hitting a target that barely moves. Trust me I see more Atlanta games than I'd ever care to see. I use to believe Vick could turn out to be the QB that changed the league with his arm strength and speed, but that's all he has, he lacks the accuracy to hit targets. Randy Moss and Terrell Owens could be out there and would have a hell of a time making Vick look good. Don't get me wrong Vick's speed has saved this team and brought them many wins, but until he develops his ability as a passer in the category of accuracy, it's just not going to happen. I still hope the guy can put it together, but the more we get into this five years now and he's still not that much better of a passer than he was when he entered the league.


Vick being a 'running qb' has nothing to do with what I was refering to with his passing ability, I would like to see him progress like McNabb and Culpeper did. Not like Aaron Brooks his cousin who still has not. That's the point I was making. I would never state that a 'running qb' couldn't be a top flight passer, because one of my favorite QB's of all time Fran Tarkenton was one and I believe he put up quite a few records in his day!

imported_Jzrith

McNabb was just as inaccurate as Vick was except McNabb , I believe, got the basics of throwing while scrambling down faster / earlier than Michael Vick.

Lord Odin

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GoGiants98

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tregrimmd @ Aug 23rd ) [snapback]1674011[/snapback]</div>I dont get why you think he'll explode. I'm convinced that the only recievers that will really suceed with Vick are tall, big targets, physical ones too. Lelie is tall but thats about it.

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Sandman

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(AF4 @ Aug 24th ) [snapback]1675264[/snapback]</div>Why do people always use Mcnabb or Culpepper when comparing Vick?
Vick is the greatest running QB EVERY!
You can say he's not a good passer OK maybe,
but you cannot compair a 10 year sprint for a 1st down,
to a guy that can take it to the house at anytime.
And please don't use Fran Tarkenton to a Mike Vick,
not even in the same ball park.
Atl. cant win telling Vick to not run.
So run there asses in the gound VICK.

AF4

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sandman @ Aug 24th ) [snapback]1676142[/snapback]</div>Because people like to compare Vick to McNabb and Culpeper when arguing that they we're just as inaccurate which is an inaccurate statement and I will bring the stats to show that. Vick is nothing more than an RB playing QB which isn't going to keep Atlanta on top for much longer, i.e. last season. Defenses are getting better towards defending Mike, the may never be able to keep him back there for the entire game, but unless this guy learns how to pass the ball his career will be short lived, specially with a guy like Matt Schaub waiting in the wings!

AF4

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lord Odin @ Aug 24th ) [snapback]1675690[/snapback]</div>Thank You, I'm glad I'm not the only one wondering why Vick is still not connecting with his WR's. I hope to see a change, I supported the fact that Vick would be the new prototype QB in the NFL, but so far it hasn't looked good.

AF4

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mattlanta @ Aug 24th ) [snapback]1675633[/snapback]</div>Things to note are in bold which are accuracy of passes completed and TD to INT ratios. Things not shown in stats are the fact that Atlanta has tried so desperately to find Vick decent WR's out there, i.e. the last two drafts and the Price experiment. Note: McNabb's only help began when TO came and I left those stats out just for agrument sake that TO made McNabb a better QB, actually TO just gave McNabb someone out there that could actually play Wideout.

We'll throw out the Rookie years to for the agrument sake too!

Also keep in mind that the top passers in the game are around 65% completion ratio, now these stats do now take in everything such as receivers ****ing up passes or QB's well overthrowning there targets, but it's just a general argrument. Get back to me...

Mike Vick

2001 Atlanta Falcons 8 2 113 50 44.2 785 6.95 52 2 3 21/113 11 4 62.7
2002 Atlanta Falcons 15 15 421 231 54.9 2936 6.97 74 16 8 33/206 44 8 81.6
2003 Atlanta Falcons 5 4 100 50 50.0 585 5.85 49 4 3 9/64 7 2 69.0
2004 Atlanta Falcons 15 15 321 181 56.4 2313 7.21 62 14 12 46/266 35 8 78.1
2005 Atlanta Falcons 15 15 387 214 55.3 2412 6.23 58 15 13 33/201 27 3 73.1




Donovan McNabb (before TO helped him with some receiver help, keep in mind Philly didn't bring in anyone to help Donovan until 2004)

1999 Philadelphia Eagles 12 6 216 106 49.1 948 4.39 63 8 7 28/204 7 1 60.1
2000 Philadelphia Eagles 16 16 569 330 58.0 3365 5.91 70 21 13 45/262 45 5 77.8
2001 Philadelphia Eagles 16 16 493 285 57.8 3233 6.56 64 25 12 39/273 44 9 84.3
2002 Philadelphia Eagles 10 10 361 211 58.4 2289 6.34 59 17 6 28/166 27 3 86.0
2003 Philadelphia Eagles 16 16 478 275 57.5 3216 6.73 59 16 11 43/253 44 9 79.6

Fatman

Lelie departure from denver is goin to cost him a lot of money I think is $982,000 thats a lot of money and i think his base salary is $600,000

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