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Old 12-02-2013, 01:21 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Hey BamaChamps, don't you have something more important to do?

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First time seeing that, some fans can't let things go. Auburn deserve to win on a play like that, b/c Bama constantly missed opportunities to put that game away.
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Old 12-02-2013, 01:30 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Since our facts don't need to be relevant, here's one: Utah is undefeated all time vs Bama. Another: Missouri never won a conference championship in the Big 12, yet they might do it in their second year with the SEC.

Using BamaChamps logic, there are only two reasonable conclusions. First, Utah is better than Bama and therefore the MWC and Pac 12 are better than the SEC. Second, the Big 12 is also better than the SEC.
Forget the BCS title, I'm starting to think that everything in your world is mythical.

Back to the Boise topic, just like I thought you have no argument against the records of Utah and TCU in aq conferences.
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Forget the BCS title, I'm starting to think that everything in your world is mythical.

Back to the Boise topic, just like I thought you have no argument against the records of Utah and TCU in aq conferences.
Your arguments are about as relevant as me saying Utah would win the SEC. I was hoping you'd pick up on the sarcasm, because I laid it on pretty thick. I guess I gave you a little too much credit.

You want some facts? Utah went 9-3, then 4-7 in their first two seasons in the MWC. They also were 9-1 in their bowl games, including 2-0 in BcS bowls and 5-0 against AQ conference opponents. In the Pac 12, they were 8-5, then 4-7. Not much disparity there. They didn't exactly dominate the MWC, either. We'll see how they do over the next few seasons. TCU is a different story, because I think they are a team that should have went straight from the WAC to the Big 12, without stopping at the MWC. Their first two seasons in the WAC were 4-7 and 1-10. Nothing I'd be proud of. They come to the Big 12, and they go 7-6 and 4-8. Again, nothing I'd be proud of, but slightly better.

The point is that it's a pretty fair assumption that these teams didn't exactly dominate in new environments in the past, yet some people such as yourself want to drop the hammer on them after two seasons in a completely new league. TCU and Utah may never compete for conference titles, or they may start dominating them. You don't know any more than I do how that will play out. You also can't compare 2010 TCU to 2013 TCU and say that they are the same team, because they aren't. Don't use that argument. It's the same as saying <insert conference champion> would go 6-6 in the SEC. That's a tactic the know-nothing, overpaid clowns at ESPN use, and you should be above it.
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Old 12-02-2013, 02:27 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Your arguments are about as relevant as me saying Utah would win the SEC. I was hoping you'd pick up on the sarcasm, because I laid it on pretty thick. I guess I gave you a little too much credit.

You want some facts? Utah went 9-3, then 4-7 in their first two seasons in the MWC. They also were 9-1 in their bowl games, including 2-0 in BcS bowls and 5-0 against AQ conference opponents. In the Pac 12, they were 8-5, then 4-7. Not much disparity there. They didn't exactly dominate the MWC, either. We'll see how they do over the next few seasons. TCU is a different story, because I think they are a team that should have went straight from the WAC to the Big 12, without stopping at the MWC. Their first two seasons in the WAC were 4-7 and 1-10. Nothing I'd be proud of. They come to the Big 12, and they go 7-6 and 4-8. Again, nothing I'd be proud of, but slightly better.

The point is that it's a pretty fair assumption that these teams didn't exactly dominate in new environments in the past, yet some people such as yourself want to drop the hammer on them after two seasons in a completely new league. TCU and Utah may never compete for conference titles, or they may start dominating them. You don't know any more than I do how that will play out. You also can't compare 2010 TCU to 2013 TCU and say that they are the same team, because they aren't. Don't use that argument. It's the same as saying <insert conference champion> would go 6-6 in the SEC. That's a tactic the know-nothing, overpaid clowns at ESPN use, and you should be above it.
Now pointing out their record is dropping the hammer on them. And looking at their conference record is the only indication that matters b/c anyone can schedule wins out of conference OSU being the master of that. You try to make excuses and use records from 10 yrs plus that doesn't mean anything. The fact that TCU and Utah both only had loss between them in their last season in the MWC shows that they had talent which just didn't disappear when they went to an AQ conference. I don't see why its so hard to admit the obvious, that's its much harder to win in an AQ conference than in the MWC.

There is 5 seasons worth of facts, based on the win/loss record of Utah and TCU not something that ESPN/NCAA/SEC/US GOV or whatever other ridiculous excuse/conspiracy you want to throw out. The facts shows that former MWC teams struggle mightly in AQ conferences and have still yet in 5 seasons combine to reach .500 in any one season.
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Now pointing out their record is dropping the hammer on them. And looking at their conference record is the only indication that matters b/c anyone can schedule wins out of conference OSU being the master of that. You try to make excuses and use records from 10 yrs plus that doesn't mean anything. The fact that TCU and Utah both only had loss between them in their last season in the MWC shows that they had talent which just didn't disappear when they went to an AQ conference. I don't see why its so hard to admit the obvious, that's its much harder to win in an AQ conference than in the MWC.

There is 5 seasons worth of facts, based on the win/loss record of Utah and TCU not something that ESPN/NCAA/SEC/US GOV or whatever other ridiculous excuse/conspiracy you want to throw out. The facts shows that former MWC teams struggle mightly in AQ conferences and have still yet in 5 seasons combine to reach .500 in any one season.
Nope, but using ridiculous comparisons is. You really want to go back to OOC, Chattanooga, Colorado St, Georgia St, bye weeks? SEC!

I'm trying to make you understand that you can't use the past as a comparison of the present or future, but you're apparently not picking it up. Have you even looked at their rosters between those years? I suggest that you do. Utah was 10-3 in their last season in the MWC, with a bowl loss to Boise State. TCU was 11-2 with an impressive win in the "Who Cares" bowl over La Tech, I believe. Yeah, they sure left that conference with a bang, didn't they. I have stated that it's harder to win in the "power" conferences, on several occasions. I don't know why you can't admit that still has nothing to do with those schools' best teams, and the fact that once in awhile those teams should deserve a shot. Luckily for all of us, maybe not you, that's about to become reality, and no amount of complaining from you and Kinnick will change that.

What are you babbling about now? Combined they haven't won something, or whatever? Struggle mightily? Both teams went to bowl games in their first seasons in their new conferences. Not exactly MNC material, but certainly far from "struggling mightily".
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Utah Pac record 1st yr 4-5, 2nd yr 3-6, this yr 1-7, struggling mightily is being kind.
TCU big 12 record 1st yr 4-5, 2nd yr 2-7, again calling that struggling mightily is being generous.
Furthermore both teams are trending down. If this was a rap battle I would drop the mic and walk off stage as the undisputed Champ.
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Utah and TCU both went to bowl games their first years. "Struggling mightily" is incorrect. You think both teams trending down helps your position? You have much to learn.

You just referenced a rap battle. I know your pimps at ESPN love Eminem nowadays, but for that, you automatically lose.
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I'm just glad to see familiar faces after SO long... Just happened to stroll back onto ole FootballForum after it's been around a decade or so. And here I find BamaChamps AND WeWantTheVest!!! Good to see you after such a stretch, my brothers!
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And Baylor would have given up around 0. Both those teams don't deserve a BCS bid IMO.
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