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Old 05-13-2005, 04:33 PM   #11 (permalink)
 
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I was going to bring that up but I didn't feel like arguing.


Like I said before.........

To the Batcave Robin we have spin to produce.

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Old 05-13-2005, 04:38 PM   #12 (permalink)
 
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I was going to bring that up but I didn't feel like arguing.


Like I said before.........

To the Batcave Robin we have spin to produce.

Yeah, when I saw it I was suprised you had not jumped all over that.
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Good post,CR1
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Old 05-13-2005, 06:32 PM   #14 (permalink)
 
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Do you honestly think the loss in the AFCC was Ben's fault? I really hope your joking, but then, you prolly arnt.

One quote that nobody else picked up on that found funny was this:
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Cowher is afraid to open it up and develop the kid. This isn't the 70's, and Ben isn't able to call his own plays.
Other than Payton what QB in this league DOES get to call their own plays? Especially a ROOKIE QB!!! You can piss and moan about Cowher all you want but come on. Other than calling an audiable, no qbs (other than Manning) call their own plays in the huddle. Hell even Cowher doesnt call the plays for the O! As Ben matures he will be given more and more rope to make audiables and what not at the line. Till then he needs to learn the ropes of playing QB in the NFL.
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Originally posted by Alter Ego@May 13th '05 @ 6:09 pm
After week 8?
Can you read?

You must not be able to read.
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Originally posted by Frost33@May 13th '05 @ 8:32 pm
Do you honestly think the loss in the AFCC was Ben's fault? I really hope your joking, but then, you prolly arnt.

One quote that nobody else picked up on that found funny was this:


Other than Payton what QB in this league DOES get to call their own plays? Especially a ROOKIE QB!!! You can piss and moan about Cowher all you want but come on. Other than calling an audiable, no qbs (other than Manning) call their own plays in the huddle. Hell even Cowher doesnt call the plays for the O! As Ben matures he will be given more and more rope to make audiables and what not at the line. Till then he needs to learn the ropes of playing QB in the NFL.
The only funny part is how you interpreted the exact opposite of what I wrote.

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You make some very good points but when it comes right down to it, I just think you're wrong.* The NFL is a lot more complicated than "Cowher should have done more than run 61% of the time" and "Ben should have been benched cause he needs adversity".



Cowheritis is to blame for Polamalu biting on play fakes?* Williams falling down on the goal line? A bad INT to Harrison?* The O-line being TOTALLY dominated?* And if you define "Cowheritis" as "What would Noll do?" (which apparantly you do) then Cowher might just well be doing exactly that...seeing as how Noll stunk it up pretty close to his last decade in the league, only he's concentrating it in the AFCC...course we don't remember that part of Noll's career.



Simple question...what rookie in the history of the league has been asked to do this?* The simple fact is he had a lot to learn about his position coming into this league (as evidenced by a number of drafting sources) and that is on top of the standard stuff every roookie needs to learn (terminology, playbooks, etc.).* It kind of amazing he was able to to even pull out those "squeakers" when the game was put on his shoulders (and it WAS put on his shoulders).* Now if he evidences similar play this year, I have no choise but to agree with you.



Noll sat Bradshaw down when he went 83/218 (38.1%) and put up 24 INT's?* News to me.* Course then you go on to say Noll got his players ready to make plays, but fail to mention that didn't start happening until years after his rookie season and even then, the player actually MADE those plays...not just "ready" for them.* Something no coach can get a player to do.* BTW - You rail against 61% running to protect a young QB then go off about how Noll didn't like throwing the ball (three things can happen...)???



I'll agree with this with Kordell only.* He should have had the pressure put on him more during the season though to be honest, maybe Cowher new Kordell would crack then too and was trying to hide him.* O'Donnell though played the same exact same way in the first game (for the most part) as he did in the SB...INT's to ****ing Brown aside.



And the one time he had a quarterback who didn't make a mistake in a AFCC game he went to the SB (**** Green for lying down at the 3 against SD or we'd have gone to that one too).* It is what it is.* As for Ben "needing" adversity...you don't think coming into another players team (this WAS Tommy's team last year), trying to proove he was worth the 11th pick, and then when Tommy went down being able to proove to all those vets that you are worthy of their extra effort (remember Faneca's comment?) isn't adversity?* Forget about just being a rookie QB in this league that eats them up.* BTW - Apparantly you didn't hear, Cowher was going to bench Ben after the halftime in the AFCC, but decided to give him one last drive...the drive he scored a TD on.* You gonna pull a guy out after that?* As for benching...that worked real well for Kordell now didn't it?* Fact is QB's should sit their first year.* If they can't then they need to play every snap and the team has to hope he doesn't get killed.



You did a good job of disguising you're Cowher hatred all this time...no coach, no matter how incompetent, puts their players in a position to fail.* Besides, "stewing" (I can only imagine you mean benching) will more than likely make him MORE willing to follow a coaches "poor" decisions in order to play.



Keep wishing man...Cowher won't be going anywhere for the next 5 years at least.* And BTW, Ben's already a pretty darn good leader...that's not his problem.* He needs to work on reading D's, footwork, and hitting his quick slants and intermediate throws better...which I hear he is already working on.



Again, Noll was an awful big genius when he had a team of HoFers with him, not so much when he didn't.* I think Ben should just worry about being Ben (God I hate that phrase).

I know that was kind disjointed and I'm probably coming off as a fanboy, but I really think people think the Steelers are the focal point of the NFL a bit too much.* Did Roeth make bad throws/decisions in the second half of the season and the playoffs?* Did Cowher make some bad calls this past season?* You bet your ***.* But to totally ignore the fact that with Hampton out our D was sucsceptible to the run (without specifically scheming against it) and thus a team COULD get back into the game, opposing D's figured out the best way to pressure Ben was a slow, collapsing pocket, and a host of other issues (like Brady being a HoF QB IMO) is overly simplistic.* The opposing teams did some damned good things to try and counter the 2004 Steelers and couple that with the simple fact the Pats had experienced playmakers at every position the Steelers had youth you can't help but just know the Steelers didn't look good to get to the SB (and yes I thought that at the time).
That's what losers do, they try to explain how complicated things are. Winners simplify.

Of course I could have written a book, but you would have argued with that too.

Cowheritis is to blame for the team's failures. If he put players in a position to achieve and then turned them loose, we'd have winners. Instead, he tries to win the game with goofball defensive schemes that leave only our defense guessing, and predicatble offensive plans that get crushed by good teams.

Cowheritis is the disease of asking for mediocrity all season long, ad then expecting excellence in January.

Again, can you read?

I swear, I've never seen a bigger bunch of nitwits.

There is a link between coaching and player performance. If there wasn't, we wouldn't have coaches.

And please quit the rookie BS. The same rookie we asked to win 13 games, that's who.

As far as the rest of your tripe, blah blah blah, repeat.

I didn't disguise any of my hatred for Cowher. I blamed the loss on him.

That's not exactly a disguise, you flipping idiot.
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Originally posted by Alter Ego@May 13th '05 @ 6:29 pm
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Noll didn't say that ***.....Woody Hayes did.

Here's a link I found for you because you'll no doubt try to spin your way out of your own stupidity.

http://homepage.mac.com/kentoncanderson/pr.../Sunukjian.html
Evidently, you didn't know that Noll quoted him. He quoted it and it appeared in the PPG, retardicon.

There's no spin. You're just a flaming *******.
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What a simpering bunch of pussies you are, I took the heat off your boy and you were too ****ing stupid to even notice.

Just when I think you guys can't be any weaker, you break out responses that would shame a 10 year old girl at a slumber party.

You're not Steeler Fans. You're just a bunch of Pirogi Petes. You stupid ****s would argue with a ham sandwich if you were starving to death.
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Old 05-13-2005, 07:59 PM   #20 (permalink)
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As the new season approaches, I struggle to put the disgust of our bi-annual Home AFCC *** beating behind me. It hasn’t been easy, with a nation of excuse makers holding me back.

After much thought and consideration, I have come to two conclusions:

1. There is no excuse for losing. We should have been better than the Pats.
2. There was no way in hell Roethlisberger could have gotten it done.

Before the apologists slither up and start making childish inferences, let’s all just relax and listen.

I’m not blaming Ben for this, not now anyway. I know that I have laid a lot of responsibility at his feet. But I’m wrong as often as I’m right so why stop at BR? No, no, no, I’m not resorting to the “Rookie” BS. The fact is, the blame belongs where it has for a decade now. So why did it happen? It’s a simple case of Cowheritis. That’s the inability of a Coach to ask himself: “What would Chuck Noll do?”

Truth is the AFCC was lost around week 8. That was the time when Cowher should have started putting the game in Ben’s hands, instead of continuing with 61% running plays and being satisfied with squeaking out wins against non-playoff caliber opponents. As the season wore on, and Ben became less effective against defenses stacked against him, Cowher just went into the shell and let the kid flounder.

Was Ben ever prepared for a game when the run wasn’t working? No. Was he ever asked to use the whole field or exercise the entire playbook? No. Did he ever have to prepare for every contingency against a 14-2 opponent? No. The two blowouts against NE and Philly were decided before the first quarter ended. But for those games, how many decent teams did Roethlisberger really have to work against? Ad-libbing squeakers against Jacksonville and Dallas hardly measures up.

What would Chuck Noll do? Rookie or no rookie, he’d do what he always did. He’d get his players ready to make all the plays when it counted. That included letting his QB call his own plays, and sitting him down if he wasn’t ready to execute whatever was necessary. Remember, Chuck Noll was the guy who came into the league and said: There are three things that can happen when you pass and two of them are bad”, but then trusted his QB to throw the winning TD pass in all 4 SB’s.

I’m not quite saying that Neil O’Donnell and Kordell Stewart were great QB’s ruined by Cowher. But when you’re asked to do only the minimum at regular season speed, how can you be expected to suddenly rise up and play Championship ball at playoff speed. Roethlisberger was more ready to pick two consecutive winning Lotto tickets on consecutive days than he was to face the Pats in January.

The sad fact is, Cowher won’t learn from this. He’s working on his fifth AFCC pasting and his third QB. After a dozen years, he is what he is. Ben, on the other hand, needs to find some adversity and be benched. It’s the best thing that could ever happen to him. My guess is that Cowher is already both jealous of the fact that Ben’s the big story now, and losing faith in him because of the playoffs. The likelihood is Cowher will play more scared than ever and Ben will have a harder time. Then Cowher will sit him.

I hope it happens sooner than later. Because Ben needs to stew enough that he doesn’t just say “yes, Koach” when he’s put in a position to fail. If he has the spirit he portrays to the media, he’ll come back a better leader. And by the way, the Steelers have already bet their future on him, so he’s the one guy who could win a battle with Koacher. Heck, he could even get him fired if it gets bad enough. I just hope he learns to ask himself in the huddle: “What would Chuck Noll do?’ If he can do that, we’ll have some great years ahead.
Very well written.
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