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Old 08-21-2005, 10:44 AM   #291 (permalink)
 
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If you're knockin on Pat Surtain give me reasons.* From scout's standpoints he's one of the best, he plays a very technically sound game.* He's a leader on and off the field.* Until one of these other guys CMac, Clements, Woodson, Bailey show that they can do it for season after season, he's the best.* Bailey has been overrated since his time with the skins, Woodson has been getting injured, Cmac and Clements are up-and-comers.* Surtain has been a consistent top-5 since 2000.
Surtain is a good corner but not the best. Top 5? Yea, but not the best. I have seen almost every one of his games since he came into the league and he has had alot of help throughout the years.


You claiming he taught Madison everything is pretty funny. It's actually vice versa. Surtain has also had an incredible amount of talent around him through the years. I doubt he'd be where he's at without Madison, Marion, Knight, Thomas, Chester, Gardner, Taylor, Ogunleye, etc.
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Surtain is a good corner but not the best. Top 5? Yea, but not the best. I have seen almost every one of his games since he came into the league and he has had alot of help throughout the years.


You claiming he taught Madison everything is pretty funny. It's actually vice versa. Surtain has also had an incredible amount of talent around him through the years. I doubt he'd be where he's at without Madison, Marion, Knight, Thomas, Chester, Gardner, Taylor, Ogunleye, etc.
Oh, give me a freaking break. By your crappy logic, every D player on the Ravens is overrated, because they have a lot of help.
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Surtain is a good corner but not the best. Top 5? Yea, but not the best. I have seen almost every one of his games since he came into the league and he has had alot of help throughout the years.


You claiming he taught Madison everything is pretty funny. It's actually vice versa. Surtain has also had an incredible amount of talent around him through the years. I doubt he'd be where he's at without Madison, Marion, Knight, Thomas, Chester, Gardner, Taylor, Ogunleye, etc.
surtain was the better CB within a year of starting.
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