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Old 04-22-2006, 11:17 AM   #11 (permalink)
 
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Ben is everything thats wrong with team sports. The key word being "team". Yet the Steelers win a SuperBowl, and it's not the team that won it, it's Ben Roethliesberger and his QB rating of 21.

Most look at it and think the Steelers won because of Ben, I on the other hand know the Steelers won in spite of Ben.

Could someone explain how a slow, inaccurate, mediocre QB can help a team win? Trick question: he cant.

If the Steelers can win with Big Ben playing terribly, then that right there is all the proof anyone with common sense needs to know how overrated a QB's importance can be.


Also, can explain how stats are "empty"? Take for example the mighty Colts. I mean, if Peyton Manning is unstoppable (as he was vs Steelers) and the Colts still lose, how can the blame go on Manning? Were there not 20+ other Colts on the field that day who performed beneath expectations? Looks like Manning hatred from envious fans to me.
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Old 04-22-2006, 11:18 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Originally posted by El Bronco Del Donko@Apr 22nd '06 @ 1:17 pm
[b] Ben is everything thats wrong with team sports. The key word being "team". Yet the Steelers win a SuperBowl, and it's not the team that won it, it's Ben Roethliesberger and his QB rating of 21.

Most look at it and think the Steelers won because of Ben, I on the other hand know the Steelers won in spite[/u] of Ben.

Could someone explain how a slow, inaccurate, mediocre QB can help a team win? Trick question: he cant.

If the Steelers can win with Big Ben playing terribly, then that right there is all the proof anyone with common sense needs to know how overrated a QB's importance can be.


Also, can explain how stats are "empty"? Take for example the mighty Colts. I mean, if Peyton Manning is unstoppable (as he was vs Steelers) and the Colts still lose, how can the blame go on Manning? Were there not 20+ other Colts on the field that day who performed beneath expectations? Looks like Manning hatred from envious fans to me.
SHUT UP STEVE!!!
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Originally posted by Moe@Apr 22nd '06 @ 11:18 am
SHUT UP STEVE!!!
Everything I said was the truth and goes against you lame anti-Manning attitude nd you don't like it one bit.
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Old 04-22-2006, 11:22 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Everything I said was the truth and goes against you lame anti-Manning attitude nd you don't like it one bit.
k Steve. You just described Peyton Manning as "unstoppable" vs. the Steelers. You're on LSD.
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Ben is damn good, no doubt. Why do we have to keep appointing him as the greatest ever though?
I don't see anybody anointing him the greatest ever except you.

He does have the "it" factor. That same, "it" that all of the great QB's had. The greatest proof of that fact is by looking at his eyes when he plays. He is mature beyond his years and that is evidenced in the fact that he doesn't get rattled or panics.

He did shatter the rookie record for most wins ever.

He just lead his team to the SB at the age of 23.

Ben became the only QB to have lead a sixth seeded team, on the road, to and win the SB.

He beat the bear's top ranked defense. (That goal line run through and over Urlacher was Bettis's career defining moment).

He beat the vikings, in their dome.

He beat the much heralded Peyton Manning and his high powered offense, in their dome when almost no one, (some Steeler's fans inculded) gave them a chance.

He beat his division rivals, your bengals, in their house. Spare me the losing Palmer argument. The fact is, he won.

He then beat, "the genius", Shannahan and his always accomodating QB, Jake, "the Mistake" Plummer in their house. Again, being expected to lose by the media at large.

You can have Palmer. I'll stick with Ben.
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k Steve. You just described Peyton Manning as "unstoppable" vs. the Steelers. You're on LSD.
Manning nearly led a team of underachieving pussies to a comeback victory in the 2nd half vs the Steelers.

Imagine if anyone else had actually decided to show up to help him out.
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Manning nearly led a team of underachieving pussies to a comeback victory in the 2nd half vs the Steelers.

Imagine if anyone else had actually decided to show up to help him out.
Nearly is the key word here. He still lost.
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sg nothing against you but you're totally wrong about Big Ben being surrounded by a lot of talent. It's an average offense with one playmaker, Hines Ward. A shaky line against the pass and run (Ben is always running for his life) and an inconsistent starting running back. Ben is the third solid starter on this team (Ward, Faneca, BenRo) and was the MVP of the 2005 playoffs, and he's only now in his third year.

For the stat freaks out there, I hope you're ready for a dose of Big Ben, a retired Jerome Bettis, an injury proned starter and an consistent running back only says that Ben will throw more, and that will silence the anti-Big Ben critics when he proves he can be an elite passer...he's already an elite winner.
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Originally posted by El Bronco Del Donko@Apr 22nd '06 @ 11:27 am
Manning nearly led a team of underachieving pussies to a comeback victory in the 2nd half vs the Steelers.

Imagine if anyone else had actually decided to show up to help him out.
Underachieving.. What was Peytons first half stats? Then come back and tell me who was underachieving.
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Originally posted by Master Blaster@Apr 22nd '06 @ 11:30 am
Nearly is the key word here. He still lost.
Obviously comprehension isn't your strong point so I'll "dumb" it down for you and any other window lickers.

Football = team sport

Football Games = won by football teams

Football Games = lost by football teams

One Player Doing Well (Manning) with Teammates Doing Not So Well (Rest of Colts) = Loss in 2nd Round

One Player Doing Not So Well (Ben) With Teammates Doing Well (Rest of Steelers) = Superbowl victory

That "It" factor would be competent teammates.
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