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Old 04-22-2006, 11:52 AM   #21 (permalink)
 
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He'll emerge as an elite QB either this season or next. He's good. A bit underrated, even by me at times. He came in there with a great team around him, and his first 2 seasons, he didn't have to do much. But he makes most all of the throws, and is fairly accurate. With the Steelers run game being less effective than last season, they're gonna open the playbook for him, and he's gonna be great.

I still hate him, though...
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Old 04-22-2006, 11:55 AM   #22 (permalink)
 
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Originally posted by Master Blaster@Apr 22nd '06 @ 11:27 am
He beat his division rivals, your bengals, in their house. Spare me the losing Palmer argument. The fact is, he won.

You can have Palmer. I'll stick with Ben.
He "beat" a greatly-reduced team with a bad defense. I'm in no way minimizing his accomplishments, but that game shouldn't have been too tough to win.

And you can keep Ben, bro. I'd much rather have CP, anyways...
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Originally posted by badassbengal@Apr 22nd '06 @ 11:52 am
He'll emerge as an elite QB either this season or next.
If anything it'll be this season.

Heath is more experienced, still got Hinesy, going to get a receiver either in the 1st or 2nd round, Washington and Morgan will be a nice touch in the offense, and if Ced plays like he did in the playoffs Ben can easily work with this group, not only that, no Bettis, Parker inconsistent, and Staley injury prone, this year is bound to be his "big year"..
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Originally posted by Alex_DeLarge@Apr 22nd '06 @ 11:57 am
If anything it'll be this season.

Heath is more experienced, still got Hinesy, going to get a receiver either in the 1st or 2nd round, Washington and Morgan will be a nice touch in the offense, and if Ced plays like he did in the playoffs Ben can easily work with this group, not only that, no Bettis, Parker inconsistent, and Staley injury prone, this year is bound to be his "big year"..
It kinda makes me excited. It'll be interesting to see how he does with the weight of the offense on his shoulders.
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Originally posted by El Bronco Del Donko@Apr 22nd '06 @ 12:37 pm
Obviously comprehension isn't your strong point so I'll "dumb" it down for you and any other window lickers.

Football = team sport

Football Games = won by football teams

Football Games = lost by football teams

One Player Doing Well (Manning) with Teammates Doing Not So Well (Rest of Colts) = Loss in 2nd Round

One Player Doing Not So Well (Ben) With Teammates Doing Well (Rest of Steelers) = Superbowl victory

That "It" factor would be competent teammates.
Apparently you don't get very good reception in your card board palace.

For optimum reception please place left foot on shopping cart, (located adjacent to card board dwelling) and place right hand through the opening in the top of card board dwelling. Rotate right hand until you achieve optimum reception.

I repeat, you've got Jake Plummer.

Jake = 0 SB's...nine years in the league...three with the doncos.

Ben = 1 SB...two years in the league.
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Originally posted by El Bronco Del Donko@Apr 22nd '06 @ 11:37 am
Obviously comprehension isn't your strong point so I'll "dumb" it down for you and any other window lickers.

Football = team sport

Football Games = won by football teams

Football Games = lost by football teams

One Player Doing Well (Manning) with Teammates Doing Not So Well (Rest of Colts) = Loss in 2nd Round

One Player Doing Not So Well (Ben) With Teammates Doing Well (Rest of Steelers) = Superbowl victory

That "It" factor would be competent teammates.
Crunch Time: Manning plays like *** for the entire first half, plays so-so for most of the second half and chokes when the game was on the line with his final two throws that could have won the game for the Colts.

Crunch Time: Ben plays like **** but gets key first downs, keeps the chains moving, escapes a rush throws against the grain down to the Seahawk 3 at a critical time.

But Ben won because of his teammates and Manning lost because of his?
You're in denial.
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Ben may not, "be surrounded by elite talent", but he's absolutely in a phenomenal system, catered exactly to what he needs, with a top-notch running game and very solid protection.

He's a very good QB playing on a team with a very good running game and a very good defense. It's just that simple - Ben doesn't do it all, or close to it, but he certainly does his part - and that's why the TEAM won it all.
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what great QB would you say was in a "****ty" system?

Montana had Rice, Taylor, hell a pretty ****ing awesome team. A system that was and still is very effective.

Manning's got Tom Moore, Marvin Harrison and some pretty decent talent around him.

Brady had Charlie Weiss who's turned around a Notre Dame program in a hurry.

Every "great" QB has had a supporting cast that is more than just "good" ... a lot of them are in that "great" or even HOF class.

The Ben hate is ****ing ridiculous and what's more ridiculous is those that actually think that this is anything more than just blind fanboy hate.

All that needs to be said is this.



Shuck it long and shuck it hard.

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Originally posted by Nixon@Apr 22nd '06 @ 12:30 pm
what great QB would you say was in a "****ty" system?

Montana had Rice, Taylor, hell a pretty ****ing awesome team. A system that was and still is very effective.

Manning's got Tom Moore, Marvin Harrison and some pretty decent talent around him.

Brady had Charlie Weiss who's turned around a Notre Dame program in a hurry.

Every "great" QB has had a supporting cast that is more than just "good" ... a lot of them are in that "great" or even HOF class.

The Ben hate is ****ing ridiculous and what's more ridiculous is those that actually think that this is anything more than just blind fanboy hate.

All that needs to be said is this.



Shuck it long and shuck it hard.

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Why are you *****ing? He didn't say anything bad about your QB.

You can't even use the comparisions with Ben and other QBs, though. Manning has never had a great defense(and their D last year was greatly overrated), and he's never even won a Superbowl. Brady won his first 2 superbowls without much talent at all, but with heart, determination, and his own pure skill. If Brady played any of his Superbowls with a rating of 22, the Patriots would have been killed. The Steelers won theirs, though, against a great football team because Ben isn't relied as much as other QBs in the league. Its nothing bad or to be ashamed of. Its just the truth.
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Originally posted by badassbengal@Apr 22nd '06 @ 1:38 pm
Why are you *****ing? He didn't say anything bad about your QB.

It was a response to the thread in general, which you should read before replying. Like I said, shuck it long and shuck it hard.
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